Callidus Posted 20 hours ago Report Share Posted 20 hours ago (edited) 38 minutes ago, TF_Titan said: If anything he's a victim of his own success...never bad enough to be in position to grab a franchise QB. This line right here is why I dont want him. I do think he is a good coach, but I dont think he is a great coach and the last thing I want is being stuck in the middle. Edited 20 hours ago by Callidus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeedoeLaw Posted 19 hours ago Report Share Posted 19 hours ago 13 minutes ago, Callidus said: This line right here is why I dont want him. I do think he is a good coach, but I dont think he is a great coach and the last thing I want is being stuck in the middle. I get it, but I'm curious to know who you like better? McCarthy? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBukafax Posted 19 hours ago Report Share Posted 19 hours ago 7 minutes ago, BeedoeLaw said: I get it, but I'm curious to know who you like better? McCarthy? The only argument I can really think of is the need for a year off between coaching gigs. I can only imagine how mentally strenuous it is to have your whole life uprooted after what, near 20 years with the same org, same job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callidus Posted 19 hours ago Report Share Posted 19 hours ago 28 minutes ago, BeedoeLaw said: I get it, but I'm curious to know who you like better? McCarthy? I rather have tomlin if it was just the two of them. I haven't looked into the coaches to much, but on the surface there isn't really anyone that stands out to me. I am kinda partial to the roll it back with the titans best of the past even though I know that will never happen and idk who the HC would be. Munchak, Smith, Schwartz if you wantend to know who my perfect OC, DC, line coach hires would be. Hell, if you told me we could get them and Tomlin id be in. BeedoeLaw 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeedoeLaw Posted 19 hours ago Report Share Posted 19 hours ago 2 minutes ago, Callidus said: Munchak, Smith, Schwartz if you wantend to know who my perfect OC, DC, line coach hires would be. Hell, if you told me we could get them and Tomlin id be in. Well 2 out of the three have worked for Tomlin. Callidus 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AutumnThunder Posted 18 hours ago Report Share Posted 18 hours ago Vrabel is a poor man's Mike Tomlin. So everyone wanting Vrabel back should be ecstatic about Tomlin. I wasn't a Vrabel fan but I'm on board with Tomlin for some stability's sake and to get this franchise out of the dumpster. At worst he'd make us a .500 team and develop anyone on the roster worth a damn until we try to upgrade again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted 18 hours ago Report Share Posted 18 hours ago (edited) 3 hours ago, tgo said: He does have control over the coaching staff though - which Borgonzi has here. I was digging into that question the other day out of curiosity re: Tomlin. I actually don’t believe Tomlin would choose to come to TN if he had other good options honestly. He doesn't have personnel control and if the Titans go the route of a former HC, they will clearly have major input into the staff. Again, you and others keep conflating this stuff. Borgonzi is the HC's boss which means he has final say on the coaching staff. That doesn't mean he's going to force coaches on the HC.... Edited 18 hours ago by oldschool Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted 18 hours ago Report Share Posted 18 hours ago 2 hours ago, Mythos27 said: This will be unpopular but I'm going to say it anyways. If I'm a confident head coaching candidate that's in demand and a prospective team refuses to give me the control that I feel I need to turn that place around because they insist on keeping people who are partly responsible for the reason that place is a dumpster in control; I'm going to kindly tell them to go fuck themselves and go elsewhere. If you want to keep sucking so badly then go ahead and keep letting the same people control the decision-making process. I was as concerned as anyone else about Vrabel wanting so much control but frankly, I think someone needs to take control of this franchise at this point because shit has been completely out of control for years now. Thats what Brinker and Borgonzi are for, to the right the ship. if they can't, someone else will be given a shot. BTW again with this lack of control nonsense... Of course any HC will get to pick their staff and have major input into the type of players they want for their schemes. Did you not listen to Brinker and Borgonzi all year? They literally met with Callahan nonstop to discuss the roster and where to make improvements. All functioning orgs work like this. BeedoeLaw 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted 18 hours ago Report Share Posted 18 hours ago 2 hours ago, Mythos27 said: Those fans are complete morons. The fact that he's been able to keep them somewhat competitive post Big Ben is borderline miraculous. Have those idiots seen the list of bums they've trotted out there recently? With a QB like Cam, Tomlin would have us contending in no less than 2 years and the only reason it would take so long is because we're so devoid of talent. This line of thinking completely absolves the input Tomlin had in picking those QBs... Poor Tomlin, saddled with scrubs at QBs for 15 years! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TF_Titan Posted 18 hours ago Report Share Posted 18 hours ago 1 hour ago, Callidus said: I do think he is a good coach, but I dont think he is a great coach and the last thing I want is being stuck in the middle. The reason he's stuck in the middle is because of his QBs, not his coaching. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TF_Titan Posted 18 hours ago Report Share Posted 18 hours ago 11 minutes ago, oldschool said: This line of thinking completely absolves the input Tomlin had in picking those QBs... Poor Tomlin, saddled with scrubs at QBs for 15 years! While this is true, it's not so easy to grab a franchise QB off the scrap heap. Doing so by definition requires a good bit of luck. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeedoeLaw Posted 17 hours ago Report Share Posted 17 hours ago (edited) 26 minutes ago, oldschool said: Thats what Brinker and Borgonzi are for, to the right the ship. if they can't, someone else will be given a shot. BTW again with this lack of control nonsense... Of course any HC will get to pick their staff and have major input into the type of players they want for their schemes. Did you not listen to Brinker and Borgonzi all year? They literally met with Callahan nonstop to discuss the roster and where to make improvements. All functioning orgs work like this. Are you absolving Brinker of the hand he played in the franchise being where it is at this point? He was there for every move Ran made, and admittedly played a direct roll in the Sneed deal. He played a part in every failed move in that offseason, from Ridley to Sneed to Murray. He played a direct part in some of it, and signed off on the rest. So I'm not very confident in Brinker, but I do have full confidence in Borgonzi. Edited 17 hours ago by BeedoeLaw Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted 17 hours ago Report Share Posted 17 hours ago 25 minutes ago, oldschool said: Thats what Brinker and Borgonzi are for, to the right the ship. if they can't, someone else will be given a shot. BTW again with this lack of control nonsense... Of course any HC will get to pick their staff and have major input into the type of players they want for their schemes. Did you not listen to Brinker and Borgonzi all year? They literally met with Callahan nonstop to discuss the roster and where to make improvements. All functioning orgs work like this. They have to deliver before I can trust that they actually have a handle on this whole thing and know how to produce a successful franchise. So far they've proven very little so if there is a proven coach that has a true vision and is able to execute, I have no problem giving him more power than I otherwise would. The situation is dire and I don't trust the people in charge to be able to fix it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted 17 hours ago Report Share Posted 17 hours ago (edited) 31 minutes ago, oldschool said: This line of thinking completely absolves the input Tomlin had in picking those QBs... Poor Tomlin, saddled with scrubs at QBs for 15 years Isn't the only highly drafted QB they've had in that time Pickett? Other than that they've been going back and forth between back up types and bums because they win too much to draft a QB high. How is that primarily on Tomlin? Don't they have a GM? Remember what happens when you play this game; if you're gonna penalize him for not drafting good QBs then you have to give him credit for drafting all of those stud defenders including Watt. No picking and choosing. Edited 17 hours ago by Mythos27 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted 17 hours ago Report Share Posted 17 hours ago 2 hours ago, Callidus said: This line right here is why I dont want him. I do think he is a good coach, but I dont think he is a great coach and the last thing I want is being stuck in the middle. It's very rare to look like a great coach without a QB. Tomlin was considered one of the best in the league when he had a good one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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