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22 minutes ago, NashvilleNinja said:

Bran's purpose for existing may have everything to do with his own survival and Theon could conceivably fight his way out of things with his abilities with a bow, but I just don't see how Sam, Sansa, or Tyrion survive unless whoever is destined to kill the Night King kills him before the wights or white walkers get to them. Sam and Tyrion can barely fight their way out of a wet paper sack and Sansa can't even manage that.

Sam, Sansa, and Tyrion will be safely away from the fighting, presumably. They are the most likely to survive. If they die, everyone else is already dead. 

 

Unless they are in the crypts and the Night King turns the old kings of winter into wights from afar...

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1 hour ago, Starkiller said:

Sam, Sansa, and Tyrion will be safely away from the fighting, presumably. They are the most likely to survive. If they die, everyone else is already dead.

Idk... Tyrion may not die from a wight bite, but he could come down with a bad case of arrow to the head. Everyone loves Bronn, but we've all been lulled into believing that he'd ultimately side with Tyrion and Jaime. I don't think he will. The guy is a sell sword through and through. He didn't knock Jaime out of the way of Drogon's flame because he cared about him. He even flat out said so after they dragged themselves ashore. "Until I get what I'm owed a dragon doesn't get to kill ya... you don't get to kill ya. Only I get to kill ya." And he meant it. So if it means that killing him gets him what he's owed then he's going to do it.
 

Maybe Jaime will wind up killing Cersei after all...

 

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Unless they are in the crypts and the Night King turns the old kings of winter into wights from afar...

I've wondered about that. He didn't touch any of the dead at Hardhome when he raised his hands, but every one of the dead were killed either by wights or white walkers so there has been contact through his army. Maybe the dead buried who haven't been touched by any of the army of the undead wouldn't be affected? That'd be a helluva twist... maybe that's what Arya's running from in the trailer. Dead Ned?

 

If the Night King can just raise any dead body from the ground then I don't see how there'll be anyone left to fight a war with the south by the time the Night King meets his ultimate end... assuming he actually meets his end. What if the ultimate fate is that Westeros falls completely to the Night King and any living survivors must flee to other continents? Wouldn't be the first time a place in this world became uninhabitable. Old Valyria... Asshai, or any place east of Qarth really. Maybe those places were once normal.

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3 hours ago, NashvilleNinja said:

Bran's purpose for existing may have everything to do with his own survival and Theon could conceivably fight his way out of things with his abilities with a bow, but I just don't see how Sam, Sansa, or Tyrion survive unless whoever is destined to kill the Night King kills him before the wights or white walkers get to them. Sam and Tyrion can barely fight their way out of a wet paper sack and Sansa can't even manage that.

i just feel that politically... HBO will want sansa to win. womens empowerment. rape victim. she's been super weak for like 6.75 seasons and now all of a suddens shes becoming strong and calling out john and shit. 

 

GRRM probably wants tyrion to win because hes been given the least and hes disabled.. and GRRM in his core is a big geek. Those guys cant wait to have the underdog prevail 

 

 

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3 hours ago, Starkiller said:

Sam, Sansa, and Tyrion will be safely away from the fighting, presumably. They are the most likely to survive. If they die, everyone else is already dead. 

 

Unless they are in the crypts and the Night King turns the old kings of winter into wights from afar...

Sams got that sword for a reason. 

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2 hours ago, NashvilleNinja said:

Idk... Tyrion may not die from a wight bite, but he could come down with a bad case of arrow to the head. Everyone loves Bronn, but we've all been lulled into believing that he'd ultimately side with Tyrion and Jaime. I don't think he will. The guy is a sell sword through and through. He didn't knock Jaime out of the way of Drogon's flame because he cared about him. He even flat out said so after they dragged themselves ashore. "Until I get what I'm owed a dragon doesn't get to kill ya... you don't get to kill ya. Only I get to kill ya." And he meant it. So if it means that killing him gets him what he's owed then he's going to do it.
 

Maybe Jaime will wind up killing Cersei after all...

 

I've wondered about that. He didn't touch any of the dead at Hardhome when he raised his hands, but every one of the dead were killed either by wights or white walkers so there has been contact through his army. Maybe the dead buried who haven't been touched by any of the army of the undead wouldn't be affected? That'd be a helluva twist... maybe that's what Arya's running from in the trailer. Dead Ned?

 

If the Night King can just raise any dead body from the ground then I don't see how there'll be anyone left to fight a war with the south by the time the Night King meets his ultimate end... assuming he actually meets his end. What if the ultimate fate is that Westeros falls completely to the Night King and any living survivors must flee to other continents? Wouldn't be the first time a place in this world became uninhabitable. Old Valyria... Asshai, or any place east of Qarth really. Maybe those places were once normal.

 - Bronn leaves his money on the ground to fight, not sure if he's really all about the cash. 

 

 - Dead Ned returns as zombie? I really hope so. That would be hilarious 

 

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5 hours ago, titanruss said:

i just feel that politically... HBO will want sansa to win. womens empowerment. rape victim. she's been super weak for like 6.75 seasons and now all of a suddens shes becoming strong and calling out john and shit. 

 

GRRM probably wants tyrion to win because hes been given the least and hes disabled.. and GRRM in his core is a big geek. Those guys cant wait to have the underdog prevail

I don't think HBO has any say in that. Besides, Dany was also a rape victim. But I can buy Sansa ultimately sitting on the throne at the end. Arya and Tyrion both had something to say about Sansa's intelligence in this first episode (foreshadowing?), but her slow-burning ascension in the show from whimsical, entitled brat into a hardened woman of authority has been real.

 

A lot of people have called her weak... that's short-sighted. She was a child who spent most of her "coming of age" years in King's Landing. Of course she's going to seem "weak". Her story is actually pretty parallel to Arya's, but whereas her sister was literally more of a fighter, Sansa was always destined more for the political. She had the strong, ethical foundation of her upbringing through Ned and Catelyn, but she had routine master classes in how manipulation works through Cersei and Littlefinger. And she's had first-hand experience with how brutally evil people can be in positions of power and authority through Ramsey Bolton.

 

Of all the people who aren't Dany and Jon, Sansa is probably the most fit to rule Westeros. She could at the very least be hand to the queen or king.

 

6 hours ago, titanruss said:

Sams got that sword for a reason. 

Jorah officially renounced his claim to Long Claw, so I can see Sam giving the sword to him before the battle happens.

 

6 hours ago, titanruss said:

 - Bronn leaves his money on the ground to fight, not sure if he's really all about the cash. 

I think that was more about survival than a lust for fighting. He was eyeballing the shit out of the gold as he started to get up, but he realized pretty quickly that if he took the time to try and gather it up he was probably getting chopped down by the Dothraki dude coming his way.

I mean, dead men can't spend gold...

 

6 hours ago, titanruss said:

 - Dead Ned returns as zombie? I really hope so. That would be hilarious 

Awkward is coming.

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15 minutes ago, OILERMAN said:

I'm not trying to go full hater like Jamal but Zombie Ned would be bad

I don't know. If they didn't get hokey with it like Zombieland it could work. And if the Night King can raise dead bodies, even bodies that are nothing but bones, then it's possible we'll see the crypts of Winterfell become a killing field. Varys, Gilly, and all the total non-fighters looked like they were hunkered down there in the trailer...

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MadMax   

Ned would be a bare skeleton after this many years.  That would look kind of cool except, would he be dribbling his skull?

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14 hours ago, NashvilleNinja said:

Bran's purpose for existing may have everything to do with his own survival and Theon could conceivably fight his way out of things with his abilities with a bow, but I just don't see how Sam, Sansa, or Tyrion survive unless whoever is destined to kill the Night King kills him before the wights or white walkers get to them. Sam and Tyrion can barely fight their way out of a wet paper sack and Sansa can't even manage that.

Sam is one of two characters to have killed a WW. 

Ned was cleaned down to his bones for transportation by the Silent Sisters and delivered to Cat. 

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A full skeleton has nothing connecting bones together. I don't think we have to get into the whole question of energy and lack of food, etc for animated corpses ... but I'd at least like the realism of needing tendons and connective material to actualize movement.

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