CreepingDeath Posted May 24, 2019 Report Share Posted May 24, 2019 11 hours ago, Number9 said: I WOULD LIKE TO OFFER A CHALLENGE!! You have just watched Season 8. Now go back and watch Season 1 and see which one you think is the best. I'll admit that season one is fairly slow at parts - and the budget wasn't there for some of things. However, the story-telling is excellent, and since it is the beginning, it has the advantage of not suffering from short-cuts affecting the logic of events. 25 minutes ago, TitansFan777 said: If the show somehow maintained the quality found in seasons 3 and 4, there would not be a single person saying it wasnt the greatest show ever. Those seasons were some of the greatest TV has ever put out. Its not a knock on the other seasons, but those two years in particular were just flat out amazing. To be fair, the books in the same spot peak, too. The dropoff isn't the same following, but they both peaked at the same moments. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number9 Posted May 24, 2019 Report Share Posted May 24, 2019 1 hour ago, CreepingDeath said: I'll admit that season one is fairly slow at parts - and the budget wasn't there for some of things. However, the story-telling is excellent, and since it is the beginning, it has the advantage of not suffering from short-cuts affecting the logic of events. That's a good point. The reason I asked is before this season started, I went back to watch some just to kinda get back into it. I planned to watch the final episode of each season, but they were so good I kept going back instead of forward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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NashvilleNinja Posted May 24, 2019 Report Share Posted May 24, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, TitanDuckFan said: Lol... *sigh* The debate over Bran is essentially Calvinism vs Arminianism in a direwolf's/dragon's skin. Check, please. Edited May 24, 2019 by NashvilleNinja Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadMax Posted May 24, 2019 Report Share Posted May 24, 2019 THAT'S what I wanted to see!!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rogue Posted May 25, 2019 Report Share Posted May 25, 2019 It's interesting watching older episodes now. As the story telling became weaker, it also brought about a hyper sensitivity scenes pretty unbelievable. Watching it all again from the perspective of today's criticism is interesting. There's a lot of "just how the hell did that happen" moments that flat out wasn't complained about back then. Seriously, watch it all from the mindset of today's criticism. If you assign the same standards of plot criticism, you'll realize there's always been "plot armor". But the depth to the story made all that a non-factor....or rather, the lack of depth has made those same moments more criticisable today. Just an observation watching it again from today's perspective. It's a noticeable thing, and only from the perspective of today. OILERMAN, and MadMax 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted May 25, 2019 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2019 5 hours ago, Rogue said: Watching it all again from the perspective of today's criticism is interesting. There's a lot of "just how the hell did that happen" moments that flat out wasn't complained about back then. Seriously, watch it all from the mindset of today's criticism. If you assign the same standards of plot criticism, you'll realize there's always been "plot armor". Some of this was brought up in that final season. Of course Jon comes back to life! How the hell did the Hound survive! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NashvilleNinja Posted May 25, 2019 Report Share Posted May 25, 2019 53 minutes ago, OILERMAN said: Some of this was brought up in that final season. Of course Jon comes back to life! How the hell did the Hound survive! Well, those impossible moments happened in non-book seasons so we can easily dismiss those due to the obviously bad writing. But Samwell Tarly was wearing an official Night's Watch© Invisibility Cloak when the whole army of the dead walked right past him at the end of season 2, a book season. See? Superior writing needs no plot armor at all, just handy winter fashion and a very still and quiet fat boy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted May 25, 2019 Report Share Posted May 25, 2019 Good writing gives cover to a lot of things, including plot armor. The last season had two good episodes surrounded by awful writing, therefore it’s criticized. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted May 25, 2019 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2019 The biggest issue was time. Early on they had a lot of time for character/plot development The last season especially was so rushed CreepingDeath, MadMax, and Justafan 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted May 25, 2019 Report Share Posted May 25, 2019 4 minutes ago, OILERMAN said: The biggest issue was time. Early on they had a lot of time for character/plot development The last season especially was so rushed That was their choice. The ending was awful even if understandable because they refused to make 2 10 episode seasons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legaltitan Posted May 25, 2019 Report Share Posted May 25, 2019 I still maintain the rushed time line did not happen in a vacuum. They say HBO did not pressure them. Ok fine but I doubt there wasn't some pressure. But at the very least I think everyone involved from actors to writers etc were burned out. If nothing else I feel like they limited the last two seasons b3cauwr the major players were totally ready to be done with the show and move on. It is amazing how they were able to hold everyone together for that long as it is. Other than the guy who played the mountain I don't think a single other character had to be replaced with a different actor. That is very remarkable given the huge cast. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CreepingDeath Posted May 25, 2019 Report Share Posted May 25, 2019 10 hours ago, Rogue said: It's interesting watching older episodes now. As the story telling became weaker, it also brought about a hyper sensitivity scenes pretty unbelievable. Watching it all again from the perspective of today's criticism is interesting. There's a lot of "just how the hell did that happen" moments that flat out wasn't complained about back then. Seriously, watch it all from the mindset of today's criticism. If you assign the same standards of plot criticism, you'll realize there's always been "plot armor". But the depth to the story made all that a non-factor....or rather, the lack of depth has made those same moments more criticisable today. Just an observation watching it again from today's perspective. It's a noticeable thing, and only from the perspective of today. Which scenes are you referring to? I'm not saying they don't exist, I just want to better understand your perspective. 4 hours ago, NashvilleNinja said: Well, those impossible moments happened in non-book seasons so we can easily dismiss those due to the obviously bad writing. But Samwell Tarly was wearing an official Night's Watch© Invisibility Cloak when the whole army of the dead walked right past him at the end of season 2, a book season. See? Superior writing needs no plot armor at all, just handy winter fashion and a very still and quiet fat boy. Dude. You don't know what you're talking about. Just stop. That scene was changed for the show. If you don't like the "invisibility cloak", take it up with the show writers, not the book. Anything else you got? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted May 25, 2019 Report Share Posted May 25, 2019 7 minutes ago, CreepingDeath said: Dude. You don't know what you're talking about. Just stop. That scene was changed for the show. If you don't like the "invisibility cloak", take it up with the show writers, not the book. Anything else you got? His point is that, whether from the book or not, it's a stretch of a scene that would be harrassed if it came out now. But, yes, the reality is that a drop of dirt in a sea of pure water becomes hard to care about. But shovel after shovel is aggravating. And, btw, which scene is more obnoxious? 1. Sam hiding poorly and not getting noticed anyway 2. Sam fighting an overwhelming number of undead beings that just walked on entire swaths of armies, getting knocked down and swarmed, living in that state for 20 minutes, then just lying down and crying while the battle continued? Degree matters. They're not even on remotely the same level. Comparing then is hilarious. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NashvilleNinja Posted May 25, 2019 Report Share Posted May 25, 2019 1 hour ago, CreepingDeath said: Dude. You don't know what you're talking about. Just stop. That scene was changed for the show. If you don't like the "invisibility cloak", take it up with the show writers, not the book. Anything else you got? Ah, I see. So anything that might be iffy in the show just blame the show. But everything that's awesome credit GRRM. Gotcha. But just instantly off the top of my head? How about Davos surviving getting blown into Wildfire Bay? Or the white walker not going after the other Night's Watch guy in the pilot episode? Or, the ultimate plot armor, Bran surviving the fall from the tall ass tower? Jamalisms, and CreepingDeath 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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