Jamalisms Posted April 20, 2019 Report Share Posted April 20, 2019 The horn people suspect in the books is the broken one Sam has with him at the Citadel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legaltitan Posted April 20, 2019 Report Share Posted April 20, 2019 4 hours ago, Jamalisms said: The horn people suspect in the books is the broken one Sam has with him at the Citadel. OK thanks. Couldn't remember. And I've read those books 3 times Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NashvilleNinja Posted April 20, 2019 Report Share Posted April 20, 2019 9 hours ago, Legaltitan said: I'm starting to get pretty salty about the show. Not quite Jamal level but it's not very good any more. You can always go re-watch The Last Jedi instead. OILERMAN, Starkiller, and Justafan 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonboy Posted April 20, 2019 Report Share Posted April 20, 2019 18 hours ago, reo said: It's not about empathy. It's the question of why now? They were dormant for centuries. Why now? They were created by the Children of the Forest but centuries after they stopped fighting the First Men. Why? To fight the Andles? Aka Targaryens iirc. Then they laid dormant for centuries. Why? My favorite theory was there was some treaty violated by the people of Westeros, possibly the Nights Watch. But I think it had sometime to do with the War of Kings, possibly the killing of the Targaryen king or even the killing of Ned. Something woke them up and whatever it was is probably the key to either defeating them or forcing them back behind the Wall. Exactly. Why now and what are they after? My hunch is the answer to that question is the final big twist of the series. D&D did an interview after the Hodor episode and said there were 3 moments during their meetings with GRRM that completely shocked them. One was Shireen's death, two was Hodor's origin, and the third is something revealed near the end of the whole series. 10 hours ago, Legaltitan said: Can't use the horn in the books either. Didn't they burn it when they burned fake Mance? Finally watched last night. I'm starting to get pretty salty about the show. Not quite Jamal level but it's not very good any more. But I blame the actors at this point. Most seem like they're are tired of it and mailing it in. Good call for them to reduce the episodes. This is just a slog to finish the story at this point. Hell at least someone sees it as important to finish the story. Wait, didn't you just get caught up recently and say how much you were enjoying it? reo, and NashvilleNinja 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolfolksunclesuncle Posted April 20, 2019 Report Share Posted April 20, 2019 15 minutes ago, Jonboy said: Exactly. Why now and what are they after? My hunch is the answer to that question is the final big twist of the series. D&D did an interview after the Hodor episode and said there were 3 moments during their meetings with GRRM that completely shocked them. One was Shireen's death, two was Hodor's origin, and the third is something revealed near the end of the whole series. The Hodor reveal was much gayer than shocking. Who could be shocked at Shireen's death? The fact that they were shocked at these things doesn't give me much hope in the final "shock." cenj 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reo Posted April 20, 2019 Report Share Posted April 20, 2019 11 hours ago, Legaltitan said: Can't use the horn in the books either. Didn't they burn it when they burned fake Mance? Finally watched last night. I'm starting to get pretty salty about the show. Not quite Jamal level but it's not very good any more. But I blame the actors at this point. Most seem like they're are tired of it and mailing it in. Good call for them to reduce the episodes. This is just a slog to finish the story at this point. Hell at least someone sees it as important to finish the story. Once they passed the books, the show writers started getting badly exposed. Its pretty ham handed at times but hopefully they can limp across the finish line. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NashvilleNinja Posted April 20, 2019 Report Share Posted April 20, 2019 35 minutes ago, reo said: Once they passed the books, the show writers started getting badly exposed. Its pretty ham handed at times but hopefully they can limp across the finish line. It may not be on par with Martin, but I don't think that should be a fault of theirs. They aren't GRRM. And they don't have the source material to pilfer for content from. I wouldn't blame anyone for a so-called lapse in quality, but if we're going to blame anyone then blame GRRM for not getting his novels finished. I mean, he's not done with Winds of Winter and he STILL has another one planned after that, which may never be finished. The guy will be 71 in September and it's been 8 years since A Dance With Dragons. Book people probably need to come to terms with the fact that the show's ending may actually wind up being the definitive ending to this story. Legaltitan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted April 21, 2019 Report Share Posted April 21, 2019 "Sure they suck, but we only know because they had to do something themselves." - Obnoxious Excuse-Makers woolfolksunclesuncle, and CreepingDeath 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NashvilleNinja Posted April 21, 2019 Report Share Posted April 21, 2019 (edited) 47 minutes ago, Jamalisms said: "Sure they suck, but we only know because they had to do something themselves." - Obnoxious Excuse-Makers The only ones saying they suck are people like you and the legal eagle. I've enjoyed the shit out of seasons 5-8. It sucks that you can't, but maybe if you didn't obsess over Ravens with jetpacks you might could. And fyi, it's not an "excuse" to point out that Benioff and Weiss aren't GRRM. It's just pointing out facts. Scottie Pippen and Horace Grant can put up a 55 win 93-94 season, but they aren't putting up a 72 win 95-96 season without Jordan (and yes, I realize Grant was with the Magic in 95-96...that's not the point). Your problem is that to you anything less than a 72 win season sucks. But there is no Jordan on that 93-94 season team. So either get over it or gfto. Edited April 21, 2019 by NashvilleNinja Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reo Posted April 21, 2019 Report Share Posted April 21, 2019 2 hours ago, NashvilleNinja said: It may not be on par with Martin, but I don't think that should be a fault of theirs. They aren't GRRM. And they don't have the source material to pilfer for content from. I wouldn't blame anyone for a so-called lapse in quality, but if we're going to blame anyone then blame GRRM for not getting his novels finished. I mean, he's not done with Winds of Winter and he STILL has another one planned after that, which may never be finished. The guy will be 71 in September and it's been 8 years since A Dance With Dragons. Book people probably need to come to terms with the fact that the show's ending may actually wind up being the definitive ending to this story. I'm not too upset with Martin for it. He's got a lot of things he wants to have happen that are pretty hard to make happen organically. Take the scene where Dany saves Jon and everyone above the wall. That might've been something he wanted to happen but was having trouble figuring out how she'd find out in time and get there. The show writers though just figured screw it and made it work with some things that just didn't make any sense. That's the type of ham handed writing that I'm talking about. CreepingDeath, cenj, and NashvilleNinja 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted April 21, 2019 Report Share Posted April 21, 2019 The show doesn't suck. I enjoy it thoroughly and would prefer it not end. But that's because of the backstory, the characters and universe... and the budget / spectacle. It's coasting on what GRRM did. The writing is subpar and represents almost exactly what GRRM wrote the series to defy. Which is super unfortunate. But, again, super enjoyable despite that. Justafan, MadMax, and cenj 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NashvilleNinja Posted April 21, 2019 Report Share Posted April 21, 2019 Just now, reo said: I'm not too upset with Martin for it. He's got a lot of things he wants to have happen that are pretty hard to make happen organically. Take the scene where Dany saves Jon and everyone above the wall. That might've been something he wanted to happen but was having trouble figuring out how she'd find out in time and get there. The show writers though just figured screw it and made it work with some things that just didn't make any sense. That's the type of ham handed writing that I'm talking about. The reason people are thrown off about the flight time of those damn ravens is because of the shortened season. In any other 10-episode season it would have taken at least 2 or 3 episodes for those birds to reach their destination. That doesn't mean that the timeline is necessarily any different in that one episode than it would have been in those 2 or 3 episodes however. That's one criticism I can really get behind. These last two seasons being as shortened as they are is a problem because they didn't leave themselves much room to flesh out the details a little more. I don't know why they decided to shorten the seasons, but it is what it is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reo Posted April 21, 2019 Report Share Posted April 21, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, NashvilleNinja said: The reason people are thrown off about the flight time of those damn ravens is because of the shortened season. In any other 10-episode season it would have taken at least 2 or 3 episodes for those birds to reach their destination. That doesn't mean that the timeline is necessarily any different in that one episode than it would have been in those 2 or 3 episodes however. That's one criticism I can really get behind. These last two seasons being as shortened as they are is a problem because they didn't leave themselves much room to flesh out the details a little more. I don't know why they decided to shorten the seasons, but it is what it is. It wasn't just the ravens. It was also the time it took Gendry to run back in the snow. Then time for her to get there. All the while they're sitting there waiting for the water to freeze with no shelter. The whole thing was stupid. But it's fine. 1 or 2 things like that is fine. It's when it starts adding up that it becomes a problem and bad writing. Edited April 21, 2019 by reo TitanDuckFan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NashvilleNinja Posted April 21, 2019 Report Share Posted April 21, 2019 Speaking of the books, apparently there are going to be unicorns in Winds of Winter and A Dream Of Spring.... https://www.express.co.uk/entertainment/books/1116797/Game-of-Thrones-George-RR-Martin-Winds-of-Winter-tease-Neil-deGrasse-Tyson-Dream-of-Spring Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted April 21, 2019 Report Share Posted April 21, 2019 9 minutes ago, NashvilleNinja said: Speaking of the books, apparently there are going to be unicorns in Winds of Winter and A Dream Of Spring.... https://www.express.co.uk/entertainment/books/1116797/Game-of-Thrones-George-RR-Martin-Winds-of-Winter-tease-Neil-deGrasse-Tyson-Dream-of-Spring Yeah, but not the kind of unicorns you might think... NashvilleNinja 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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