Callahan directly lost the game

[IsntLifeFunny]

3 hours ago, TerryBoats said:

You constantly commented about how Vrabel's offensive philosophy cost them in the postseason.  Now all offenses are exactly the same? Andy Reid and Kyle Shanahan are no different than Todd Downing?

 

Coaches are hired for their playcalling ability.  Not to be a glorified cheerleader.  This is a completely outdated and incorrect assessment.

 

I pointed out at that time in 2019 that the offense was far too difficult on the QB, and Tannehill overperformed to an unsustainable degree.  That's why it didn't work with Mariota. While Smith's offense was successful yesterday because of the play design, not Rodgers.  Any decent QB would have performed well.  The advanced numbers back both of these claims up, and you can see on tape the difference in receiver separation, air yards of the throws, etc.

 

The statistics comparing what that QB is required to do is now compiled and compared to every QB in the NFL.  We don't really have to make broad claims or assumptions about whether or not the coach is helping or hurting the QB, or vice versa - the numbers are right there.  And the numbers typically show that the good coaches are making the job of their QB significantly easier than Cam Ward's yesterday.

I watched the entire Jets/ Pit game and you're right to note none of those TDe were from Rogers making a great throw. Every single one of them was schemed up. 

[TerryBoats]

29 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said:

I watched the entire Jets/ Pit game and you're right to note none of those TDe were from Rogers making a great throw. Every single one of them was schemed up. 

He had an average depth of target of like 4 yards, 2.4 second to throw and threw for 4 TDs.  That's easy mode for a QB.  While Ward's average depth of target was 11 yards and he threw the ball at 2.9 second on average- against the #1 pass rush.

 

Unsurprisingly, Dan Moore performed much better against Denver in 2024 under Arthur Smith, allowing only 1 pressure.  A good coach makes a big difference!

[IsntLifeFunny]

51 minutes ago, TerryBoats said:

He had an average depth of target of like 4 yards, 2.4 second to throw and threw for 4 TDs.  That's easy mode for a QB.  While Ward's average depth of target was 11 yards and he threw the ball at 2.9 second on average- against the #1 pass rush.

 

Unsurprisingly, Dan Moore performed much better against Denver in 2024 under Arthur Smith, allowing only 1 pressure.  A good coach makes a big difference!

It's pretty funny seeing a counter narrative happen here because some of us wanted him fired in the offseason and in week one he completely shit the bed. I said in the offseason it was good to see him get Bones in here while admitting his fault. It gave me some hope. All of that hope was strangled on Sunday. He looked completely overwhelmed, no way around it. He was conservative every time it was strategic to be aggressive and vice versa. He fucked up the challenge and didn't even know the rule. He's an idiot as far as I'm concerned. 

[Mythos27]

1 hour ago, TerryBoats said:

He had an average depth of target of like 4 yards, 2.4 second to throw and threw for 4 TDs.  That's easy mode for a QB.  While Ward's average depth of target was 11 yards and he threw the ball at 2.9 second on average- against the #1 pass rush.

 

Unsurprisingly, Dan Moore performed much better against Denver in 2024 under Arthur Smith, allowing only 1 pressure.  A good coach makes a big difference!

Hey. Yesterday I asked if you could explain what exactly Bill Callahan did to Dan Moore to make him that much worse of a player in 6 months or working with him. You didn't answer. I'm curious about your answer. 

[TerryBoats]

23 minutes ago, Mythos27 said:

Hey. Yesterday I asked if you could explain what exactly Bill Callahan did to Dan Moore to make him that much worse of a player in 6 months or working with him. You didn't answer. I'm curious about your answer. 

 it was the gameplan/playcalling.  Not Bill.  They were in so many obvious passing situations, with 11 of their 14 3rd downs being 3rd and 9 or longer.  Some ridiculously long.  The defense was able to just pin their ears back and throw a variety of rushes at our OL.

 

So I don't think Moore was "better" the prior year- he was just kept out of situations which would have exposed him.  Which to me, is a sign is good coaching.  And there was no reason we couldn't have done the same.  But for whatever reason, we ended up in a situation where we asked our rookie QB to attempt the longest, slowest developing pass plays in the league against the #1 pass rush instead of something far more manageable.

 

Regarding the talent issue, I don't think there's an OL in the league who have performed well while attempting to hold up nearly 3 seconds against a top pass rush who knew exactly what to expect.  While our own OL could have played much better if given a more reasonable task (like Arthur Smith did the prior year with Moore)

Edited September 9 by TerryBoats

[OILERMAN]

10 hours ago, TerryBoats said:

You constantly commented about how Vrabel's offensive philosophy cost them in the postseason.  Now all offenses are exactly the same? Andy Reid and Kyle Shanahan are no different than Todd Downing?

 

That's not what I meant. Ran/pass ratio isn't the same

[TerryBoats]

1 hour ago, OILERMAN said:

 

That's not what I meant. Ran/pass ratio isn't the same

Back when I was an active member of the GB forums, fans used to excuse McCarthy and say the same things you do about offensive coaching.  Then they hired LaFluer and receivers coincidentally started being open and Rodgers started being an MVP again.

Edited September 10 by TerryBoats

[Number9]

8 hours ago, TF_Titan said:

 

I'm on record saying they need to be patient with Callahan and stop the revolving door of coaches/GMs. As bad as Sunday was there are still 16 games left to climb out of the hole he's dug for himself. But Sunday absolutely raised red flags

That's what we said last season.  I'm on record as saying Will Levis was better before bc showed up.  It's much more obvious now because Cam Ward has upped the stakes.

 

Listen to how often Cam says, "coach knows I'm a gun slinger"  i.e., I'm going to throw this football and I'm not running your Levis/Rudolph Playbook.

[Callidus]

7 hours ago, TerryBoats said:

He had an average depth of target of like 4 yards, 2.4 second to throw and threw for 4 TDs.  That's easy mode for a QB.  While Ward's average depth of target was 11 yards and he threw the ball at 2.9 second on average- against the #1 pass rush.

 

Unsurprisingly, Dan Moore performed much better against Denver in 2024 under Arthur Smith, allowing only 1 pressure.  A good coach makes a big difference!

I would like the see the splits from the first and 2nd half. The offense may have been sluggish to say the least but it didnt seem like cam was under siege till after the half and they opened things up. 

[OILERMAN]

8 hours ago, TerryBoats said:

Back when I was an active member of the GB forums, fans used to excuse McCarthy and say the same things you do about offensive coaching.  Then they hired LaFluer and receivers coincidentally started being open and Rodgers started being an MVP again.

 

Did they ask you why when LaFluer was the OC of the Titans the Titans offense was 27th in scoring, 29th in passing yards per game and 31st in passer rating? 

 

In 2023 with McCarthy Dallas had the 2nd highest passer rating, 1st in passing yard per game and lead the league in points per game?

Prescott was #2 in MVP voting. 

 

Isn't that weird?

[ctm]

"That's one of the things that we've been talking about. The defense is trying to create turnovers, and we did a hell of a job at that," Simmons said postgame.

"We can talk about all the good things as well, but you know what really got us beat? I'm going to keep saying it's the penalties that we had today. So after cleaning it up, that's a positive; that we did get the ball off their offense. So we took that step and now we got to take the next step and get less penalties and clean the penalties up."

"I'm sure when we go watch the tape, we'll see. But my penalty? Are they going to call it every time? I'm sure. When [Titans LB] Cody [Barton] stopped the guy's progress and I go and shove them, no matter if I thought I was trying to play through the whistle or not, I'm sure they're going to call it every time," Simmons said.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/titans-jeffery-simmons-sounds-off-after-broncos-loss/ar-AA1McQic?ocid=BingNewsSerp

 

Barton and the Titans committed 13 penalties for 131 yards, which certainly hurt them in their pursuit to win. Barton spoke about the penalties after the game and explained what the team needs to do to be better.

"You know, I'm an optimist, and I always try to look at the good things, the good takeaways. So I think we had that many penalties, and the game was still there at the end to be had, you know, with a one score game going at the end of the game with four [minutes], whatever it was right. But definitely the penalties are something we have to clean up though. But like I said, it gives me hope that at the end of the game, even with all that said, we still had a chance to go and tie the game."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/football/cody-barton-sends-alarming-message-to-titans/ar-AA1MczGs?ocid=BingNewsSerp

 

Brownlee's first outing this season wasn't brutal in terms of his level of play. He played quite well all game, if you remove the penalties. But we can't remove the penalties, even when he sometimes gets some questionable calls. He got flagged three times in the season opener, for 5, 15, and 16 yards each.

When we spoke with defensive coordinator Dennard Wilson on Tuesday about his starting cornerback’s penalty history, he didn’t mince words:

"I want him to play with the tenacity that he plays with, and I want him to play hard, but the penalties must stop. At the end of the day, you know, we have to clean it up... So we've addressed it. We're going to keep working on him getting his hands down at the top of the route, not grabbing, okay? And then understanding when is the point to take your hands off of receivers, right? We will do things throughout the course of the week to correct it. But the penalties, they aren't acceptable. And obviously it hurt us in the game."

Penalty cleanliness is something the entire team has preached all offseason, and Brownlee is far from the only perpetrator from this Sunday.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/titans-defensive-coordinator-lays-down-the-law-on-cb-jarvis-brownlee-jrs-penalty-problem-what-hes-doing-wrong-with-the-refs/ar-AA1MdFwg?ocid=BingNewsSerp

 

Posters:  it's the coaches

Players:  we committed too many penalties

[TerryBoats]

42 minutes ago, OILERMAN said:

 

Did they ask you why when LaFluer was the OC of the Titans the Titans offense was 27th in scoring, 29th in passing yards per game and 31st in passer rating? 

 

In 2023 with McCarthy Dallas had the 2nd highest passer rating, 1st in passing yard per game and lead the league in points per game?

Prescott was #2 in MVP voting. 

 

Isn't that weird?

And it's weird that you criticize Vrabel's offensive strategy when he's achieved top 5 offenses and propelled Ryan Tannehill into having one of the most efficient QB ratings of all time.  Maybe he's an offensive guru as well!

[NashvilleNinja]

28 minutes ago, ctm said:

"That's one of the things that we've been talking about. The defense is trying to create turnovers, and we did a hell of a job at that," Simmons said postgame.

"We can talk about all the good things as well, but you know what really got us beat? I'm going to keep saying it's the penalties that we had today. So after cleaning it up, that's a positive; that we did get the ball off their offense. So we took that step and now we got to take the next step and get less penalties and clean the penalties up."

"I'm sure when we go watch the tape, we'll see. But my penalty? Are they going to call it every time? I'm sure. When [Titans LB] Cody [Barton] stopped the guy's progress and I go and shove them, no matter if I thought I was trying to play through the whistle or not, I'm sure they're going to call it every time," Simmons said.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/titans-jeffery-simmons-sounds-off-after-broncos-loss/ar-AA1McQic?ocid=BingNewsSerp

 

Barton and the Titans committed 13 penalties for 131 yards, which certainly hurt them in their pursuit to win. Barton spoke about the penalties after the game and explained what the team needs to do to be better.

"You know, I'm an optimist, and I always try to look at the good things, the good takeaways. So I think we had that many penalties, and the game was still there at the end to be had, you know, with a one score game going at the end of the game with four [minutes], whatever it was right. But definitely the penalties are something we have to clean up though. But like I said, it gives me hope that at the end of the game, even with all that said, we still had a chance to go and tie the game."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/football/cody-barton-sends-alarming-message-to-titans/ar-AA1MczGs?ocid=BingNewsSerp

 

Brownlee's first outing this season wasn't brutal in terms of his level of play. He played quite well all game, if you remove the penalties. But we can't remove the penalties, even when he sometimes gets some questionable calls. He got flagged three times in the season opener, for 5, 15, and 16 yards each.

When we spoke with defensive coordinator Dennard Wilson on Tuesday about his starting cornerback’s penalty history, he didn’t mince words:

"I want him to play with the tenacity that he plays with, and I want him to play hard, but the penalties must stop. At the end of the day, you know, we have to clean it up... So we've addressed it. We're going to keep working on him getting his hands down at the top of the route, not grabbing, okay? And then understanding when is the point to take your hands off of receivers, right? We will do things throughout the course of the week to correct it. But the penalties, they aren't acceptable. And obviously it hurt us in the game."

Penalty cleanliness is something the entire team has preached all offseason, and Brownlee is far from the only perpetrator from this Sunday.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/titans-defensive-coordinator-lays-down-the-law-on-cb-jarvis-brownlee-jrs-penalty-problem-what-hes-doing-wrong-with-the-refs/ar-AA1MdFwg?ocid=BingNewsSerp

 

Posters:  it's the coaches

Players:  we committed too many penalties

 

That shit probably works for the offense, too.

 

Posters: Callahan's system is dumb, he didn't know a rule

Players: we dropped too many passes 

 

I'm too lazy to look for quotes rn

[OILERMAN]

12 minutes ago, TerryBoats said:

And it's weird that you criticize Vrabel's offensive strategy when he's achieved top 5 offenses and propelled Ryan Tannehill into having one of the most efficient QB ratings of all time.  Maybe he's an offensive guru as well!

 

No, that proves my point. Vrabel had a high scoring good offense because he had a great QB. Even when he was running into stacked boxes inefficiently. 

 

 

[OILERMAN]

38 minutes ago, ctm said:

Posters:  it's the coaches

Players:  we committed too many penalties

 

A lot of those defensive penalties converted 3rd down for Denver