PUBLIC EDUCATION

[Titandan]

2 hours ago, reo said:

 

Privatized education funnels knowledge to the wealthy who can afford it and what's taught to the billionaires who own the schools especially since they don't have the type of regulation of public schools on what's taught.

Interesting that you mention that billionaires will own some of the private schools.  I actually haven't thought of that.  
 

I'm sure some billionaires will get involved with education. I think Lebron does some work with education (even though he didn't go to college).  I think it's good if billionaires who truly care about the underprivileged get involved and try their hand at improving the education system in America.  

But I'm assuming that what you mean by your post is that billionaires will saturate the privatized education market with schools that will be money-driven and lessen the quality of education overall.  I think there is a very good possibility that there will be mass produced private schools with the sole purpose of making money and there will be growing pains that come along with any new system.  However, like any other product in most any market, I think for-profit businesses can be a great motivator for even the mass produced schools to improve their education because if they don't produce good results, the parents who care about their kids' education will inevitably opt to send their kids and their voucher money to another school with better results the following semester.  And if there's a void in good quality schools in any specific geographic area, it's only a matter of time before an entrepreneur with some background in education decides to launch schools to remedy the situation while making some money.  

[CreepingDeath]

2 hours ago, Titandan said:

I think for-profit businesses can be a great motivator for even the mass produced schools to improve their education because if they don't produce good results, the parents who care about their kids' education will inevitably opt to send their kids and their voucher money to another school with better results the following semester. 

What is your time-line for this?  When does a parent realize a kid isn't on grade-level?  You do know that private schools do not need to take the government tests that supposedly measure the knowledge of kids for their grade levels, right?

 

So, with your idea, whole swaths of generations will be fucked over before any "market change" can occur.  Hell, they could be too damn stupid to blame the schools.  If they are fed authoritarian bullshit on a daily basis, they will not question what the dear leaders tell them.  

 

STOP WITH THE MARKET BULLSHIT.  Schools are a community product.  You aren't thinking about living fucking people.  You are looking at dollars and "product."  Ugh.  

[Number9]

1 hour ago, Titandan said:

Interesting that you mention that billionaires will own some of the private schools.  I actually haven't thought of that.  
 

I'm sure some billionaires will get involved with education. I think Lebron does some work with education (even though he didn't go to college).  I think it's good if billionaires who truly care about the underprivileged get involved and try their hand at improving the education system in America.  

But I'm assuming that what you mean by your post is that billionaires will saturate the privatized education market with schools that will be money-driven and lessen the quality of education overall.  I think there is a very good possibility that there will be mass produced private schools with the sole purpose of making money and there will be growing pains that come along with any new system.  However, like any other product in most any market, I think for-profit businesses can be a great motivator for even the mass produced schools to improve their education because if they don't produce good results, the parents who care about their kids' education will inevitably opt to send their kids and their voucher money to another school with better results the following semester.  And if there's a void in good quality schools in any specific geographic area, it's only a matter of time before an entrepreneur with some background in education decides to launch schools to remedy the situation while making some money.  

You sound like me.  What you say sounds like the advocates of separate but equal schools.    I went to a separate but equal in Marshall County Tennessee.  On Hwy 31 was Chapel Hill School.  It looked like the schools in Nashville. Our two room school was 1-8.  Our books were used.  Some of the books didn't even have covers.  They would be all lined up from previous use.

 

No need to list all the other inequities, like our out-door-toilets, no water to wash hands, teaching aids, the quality of the teachers.  Now which school is giving each child a quality education.  You and your children will be going to the voucher schools.  I sent my son to private school which was a mortgage payment for average income people.  Can you MAGA's afford to do the same?

 

If you can't figure that out now, you will when you send your child to the voucher school. You then get to pick out which school you can afford.

 

 

[Titandan]

2 hours ago, CreepingDeath said:

What is your time-line for this?  When does a parent realize a kid isn't on grade-level?  You do know that private schools do not need to take the government tests that supposedly measure the knowledge of kids for their grade levels, right?

 

So, with your idea, whole swaths of generations will be fucked over before any "market change" can occur.  Hell, they could be too damn stupid to blame the schools.  If they are fed authoritarian bullshit on a daily basis, they will not question what the dear leaders tell them.  

 

STOP WITH THE MARKET BULLSHIT.  Schools are a community product.  You aren't thinking about living fucking people.  You are looking at dollars and "product."  Ugh.  

Children are not a product. But the quality of education of the various schools wanting your business is the product. If their product sucks, they will cease to exist and better schools with better products will flourish. In theory, the students should be the beneficiaries. But we haven't tried so I guess we'll never know until we do.  

 

Once again, I don't really care all that much about this topic. Just happen to have an opinion on it and if I'm wrong then I'm wrong. 

[Titandan]

1 hour ago, Number9 said:

You sound like me.  What you say sounds like the advocates of separate but equal schools.    I went to a separate but equal in Marshall County Tennessee.  On Hwy 31 was Chapel Hill School.  It looked like the schools in Nashville. Our two room school was 1-8.  Our books were used.  Some of the books didn't even have covers.  They would be all lined up from previous use.

 

No need to list all the other inequities, like our out-door-toilets, no water to wash hands, teaching aids, the quality of the teachers.  Now which school is giving each child a quality education.  You and your children will be going to the voucher schools.  I sent my son to private school which was a mortgage payment for average income people.  Can you MAGA's afford to do the same?

 

If you can't figure that out now, you will when you send your child to the voucher school. You then get to pick out which school you can afford.

My public school was pretty trash as well.  Had text books from previous use as well with messed up covers. 

 

Didn't experience outdoor toilets but our bathrooms were disgusting.  

 

Since I left, it seems that they improved the football field. Looks like artificial turf now. 

 

Anyway, if you really care about better quality schools, why is it bad if everyone can afford private schools through school vouchers?  School choice should be a dream come true for people like you and me who experienced crappy schools. 

[Number9]

44 minutes ago, Titandan said:

School choice should be a dream come true for people like you and me who experienced crappy schools. 

I got cha. 

[LongTimeFan]

10 hours ago, CreepingDeath said:

What is your time-line for this?  When does a parent realize a kid isn't on grade-level?  You do know that private schools do not need to take the government tests that supposedly measure the knowledge of kids for their grade levels, right?

 

So, with your idea, whole swaths of generations will be fucked over before any "market change" can occur.  Hell, they could be too damn stupid to blame the schools.  If they are fed authoritarian bullshit on a daily basis, they will not question what the dear leaders tell them.  

 

STOP WITH THE MARKET BULLSHIT.  Schools are a community product.  You aren't thinking about living fucking people.  You are looking at dollars and "product."  Ugh.  

This is so off base I had to comment. 

 

You are correct that private schools are not mandated to administer standardized tests. However, I have never heard of one that doesn't use a test (my son's school has used STARR or ACT  or SAT). I have friends and neighbors who have kids in different private schools and they all use tests.

 

Also, my son was in Pre-Calc and Calculus classes in his junior year. Compare that to his nephew/niece in public school in Fairfax County, VA whose top level math was Algebra to graduate. Every private school i have ever heard of has a more advanced curriculum than public school curriculum. 

 

As for vouchers, there should be an income requirement.  

[CreepingDeath]

3 hours ago, LongTimeFan said:

This is so off base I had to comment. 

 

You are correct that private schools are not mandated to administer standardized tests. However, I have never heard of one that doesn't use a test (my son's school has used STARR or ACT  or SAT). I have friends and neighbors who have kids in different private schools and they all use tests.

 

Also, my son was in Pre-Calc and Calculus classes in his junior year. Compare that to his nephew/niece in public school in Fairfax County, VA whose top level math was Algebra to graduate. Every private school i have ever heard of has a more advanced curriculum than public school curriculum. 

 

As for vouchers, there should be an income requirement.  

...And there are charter and private schools that are horrid.  Your anecdote of "Every private school i have ever heard of has a more advanced curriculum than public school curriculum" is worthless.  You obviously have done no research on the matter.

 

You and Dan both have your heads up your asses on this.  

[MadMax]

1 hour ago, CreepingDeath said:

You and Dan both have your heads up your ass on this. are kissing the ring. 

 

 

fify

[LongTimeFan]

2 hours ago, CreepingDeath said:

...And there are charter and private schools that are horrid.  Your anecdote of "Every private school i have ever heard of has a more advanced curriculum than public school curriculum" is worthless.  You obviously have done no research on the matter.

 

You and Dan both have your heads up your asses on this.  

I am sure there are some charter and private schools that are shit. They go out of business. 

 

Good talk.

[Number9]

https://www.indeed.com/career-advice/career-development/largest-us-industries

13 largest US industries

According to the U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis, these are the top 13 largest U.S. industries based on their contributions to the GDP:

 

1. Real estate rental and leasing

2. Utilities 

3. State and local government

4. Information

5. Administrative and waste management services

6. Healthcare and social assistance

7. Professional, scientific and technical services

8. Educational services

9. Durable goods and manufacturing

10. Management of companies and enterprises

11. Arts, entertainment and recreation

12. Other services (except government)

13. Construction

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What percentage of American workers are competent enough to handle these jobs?

 

If we are less educated, where will we fit in this economy going forward?  Who benefits the most?  The Educated?  Undereducated?  The Uneducated?

 

Speaking of education.  How much of the chance to earn better income comes with a 5, 6, 7 figure debt?

 

MAGA-Our greatness didn't come from an educational system like this.  Everybody doesn't have a chance anymore.

Edited August 20, 2025 by Number9