Rapoport reporting that Levis is expected to be healthy week 6 against the Colts

[Djetok]

28 minutes ago, reo said:

 

This way of thinking is going to be a problem for a lot of you guys all season. A lot of you guys seem to think a player especially a QB is just good or he isn't. 

 

Agree or not, Callahan is going to spend this season trying to develop Levis and teach him.

 

They're running the full offense and it's a complicated one. BC said after the Packers game that they go to the line with a man play and a zone play called. And Levis also always has the ability to check to a run so he's essentially got 3 plays called. Then they use presnap motion to identify man or zone and switch into the right play. He said the Packers did a very good job of hiding coverages. There were times were they shifted like it was man and dropped into zone. The pick vs the dolphin? They got him. #91 dropped into a zone and Levis never saw him. The pick 6 vs the Packers? He thought it was something like cover3 (haven't looked in a while) but the corner jumped the route. The ability to see these things come with time and reps. They're going to get him that this year.

 

There's a semi famous clip of Rodgers in practice where he points at the LB and says "you're not coming. Back up". That comes with experience. 

 

Even the shoulder injury was a teaching moment. They haven't been able to get Levis to protect himself so they sat him and said this is what happens. 

 

Like it or not, agree or not, this season is about developing and teaching Levis.

Levis has multiple years on his contract.  He has the physical attributes and I'm sure the org wants to see if it clicks.  The game has not slowed down for him yet.

[Bongo59]

AAS will fuck this process up.  Watch. 

[Bulluck4dmvp]

I mean he throws the ball directly to the defense. What more could we want?!

[NashvilleNinja]

4 hours ago, titansfan said:

Got dammit. But the goal is pick #1. With Levis, we have a real shot 

 

Did you just turn into a redneck for this post?

[Titans279]

1 hour ago, Mythos27 said:

True. But I was speaking from the perspective of a coach who has already decided that the guy he's working with doesn't have it. Whether or not Cally is already there is something we don't know (it appears not). In the post that Iowa responded to, I said that Levis looks unfixable so I took his question to mean would I tell an athlete that he's unfixable. In an individual sport like track, that guy isn't directly hurting the team provided you're not dumb enough to put him on relays and such. In football, peoples' careers can be deeply impacted by a struggling, young QB. Cally risks losing a locker room that he just put together. It's a tough spot to be in. 

I agree with all this but the degree to which players will feel agitated Levis isn’t benched is mitigated by Rudolph being so mid. 
 

Like all Levis has to do is not commit backbreaking turnovers and I think the feeling you describe would go away. 
 

Can he stop doing it though? Idk lol. 

[oldschool]

2 minutes ago, Titans279 said:

I agree with all this but the degree to which players will feel agitated Levis isn’t benched is mitigated by Rudolph being so mid. 
 

Like all Levis has to do is not commit backbreaking turnovers and I think the feeling you describe would go away. 
 

Can he stop doing it though? Idk lol. 

 

Guys like winning and other players who do their jobs without fucking over the team. if Rudolph came in and played well and they won a few games, they wouldn't care about his average arm or anything else.

[NashvilleNinja]

3 hours ago, IowaOiler said:

The entire point of the season is to evaluate Levis.  He hasn't looked good, but lets not fool ourselves into thinking we are a contender with Rudolph.  Yeah, the division is up for grabs and there is a solid argument that we could win it with Rudolph starting....but for what?  A first round blowout and a low 20s draft slot?  

 

Levis needs to start and play so we can make a decision at season's end.  It hasn't been pretty so far, but I'm not writing him off after 4 starts (3 games) in an actual NFL offense.  

 

There is precedence for sticking with a guy  through bad performances. Elway was pretty bad his rookie year. This is Levis' second year, but you could argue he's still in his rookie year.

 

Still... Mayo still has a lot of work to do to get to the point of "ok, we'll stick with him." I can't see him turning into Elway right now.

[BudsOilers]

4 minutes ago, Titans279 said:

I agree with all this but the degree to which players will feel agitated Levis isn’t benched is mitigated by Rudolph being so mid. 
 

Like all Levis has to do is not commit backbreaking turnovers and I think the feeling you describe would go away. 
 

Can he stop doing it though? Idk lol. 

The backbreaking TO's make everyone livid but the tape is full of Levis fucking up by not throwing to open guys. creating his own pressure, and costing the team points.

 

IMO if Levis plays like he has been and they keep losing games, there will be a breaking point from the locker room and then the org.

[Mythos27]

12 minutes ago, Titans279 said:

I agree with all this but the degree to which players will feel agitated Levis isn’t benched is mitigated by Rudolph being so mid. 
 

Like all Levis has to do is not commit backbreaking turnovers and I think the feeling you describe would go away. 
 

Can he stop doing it though? Idk lol. 

Your statement about Rudolph mitigating the feelings about Levis is solid but it presumes that people are logical. There is a reason that back up QB is always the most popular guy in town when the team sucks. I don't think the average player is immune to that. I'm sure there are already conversations among teammates asserting that Rudolph gives them the best chance to win. Levis seems incapable of avoiding turnover worthy plays and this dates back to college. I don't see a logical reason why this will change. 

[BudsOilers]

These guys also watch the game film and absolutely know Levis is both missing open plays and creating his own pressure ALOT.  He needs to fix it ASAP or it's only a matter of time before he loses the receivers and OL.

 

This story got played back in the Mariota days. 

[rns90]

11 minutes ago, BudsOilers said:

The backbreaking TO's make everyone livid but the tape is full of Levis fucking up by not throwing to open guys. creating his own pressure, and costing the team points.

 

IMO if Levis plays like he has been and they keep losing games, there will be a breaking point from the locker room and then the org.

It’s going to come soon. I don’t really see a bad defense where he can pull a game out of his ass and give people false hope.

1 minute ago, Mythos27 said:

Your statement about Rudolph mitigating the feelings about Levis is solid but it presumes that people are logical. There is a reason that back up QB is always the most popular guy in town when the team sucks. I don't think the average player is immune to that. I'm sure there are already conversations among teammates asserting that Rudolph gives them the best chance to win. Levis seems incapable of avoiding turnover worthy plays and this dates back to college. I don't see a logical reason why this will change. 

Which is why is kind of funny why everyone brings up Rudolph and his averageness.

 

Levis isn’t even that .  I don’t know how to describe his level but it’s below mediocre and scraping the bottom of the level.  And all the other stuff doesn’t matter , like the big arm, size.

 

And at some point  if they are 1-7 or 2-8 or something like that , you can’t avoid addressing the main issue which is your qb is costing you games for various reasons.

[Mythos27]

Just now, BudsOilers said:

These guys also watch the game film and absolutely know Levis is both missing open plays and creating his own pressure ALOT.  He needs to fix it ASAP or it's only a matter of time before he loses the receivers and OL.

 

This story got played back in the Mariota days. 

Yeah, I forgot about this. As bad as a play looks on the game copy, live; it looks SO much worse in multiple angles of All-22 when the coaches can show in slow motion how trash you are. 

[Bongo59]

21 minutes ago, NashvilleNinja said:

 

There is precedence for sticking with a guy  through bad performances. Elway was pretty bad his rookie year. This is Levis' second year, but you could argue he's still in his rookie year.

 

Still... Mayo still has a lot of work to do to get to the point of "ok, we'll stick with him." I can't see him turning into Elway right now.

Actually it is still his first yr in starts. 

[BudsOilers]

It doesn't work that way.  It's year 2.

 

 

[Mythos27]

Just now, rns90 said:

It’s going to come soon. I don’t really see a bad defense where he can pull a game out of his ass and give people false hope.

Which is why is kind of funny why everyone brings up Rudolph and his averageness.

 

Levis isn’t even that .  I don’t know how to describe his level but it’s below mediocre and scraping the bottom of the level.  And all the other stuff doesn’t matter , like the big arm, size.

 

And at some point  if they are 1-7 or 2-8 or something like that , you can’t avoid addressing the main issue which is your qb is costing you games for various reasons.

When I bring up Rudolph's averageness, I'm just trying to temper expectations. I have no doubt he'll do better than Levis, I just think we'll still suck and be pissed off/frustrated watching losses almost every Sunday. Others I think bring it up because they like the idea of letting Levis have the whole season as an evaluation. Me personally? I really don't care which way they go. I see positives and negatives to both though I lean towards benching Levis so that I only have to vomit occasionally over the course of the season rather than chronically. I like the idea of giving a young QB the entire year in theory but in practice, I think Levis just doesn't have it and it's waste of everyone's time. It's too bad too because I REALLY wanted him to be the guy.