2024 General Election - Trump vs Kamala Harris

[Titans279]

Lol

She voted for Trump. Now she fears losing the Obamacare plan that saved her life

 

After struggling for years without insurance, the 55-year-old former small-business owner — who has battled diabetes, high blood pressure and two cancers — credits Obamacare with saving her life.

 

Watson also voted for Donald Trump, believing the businessman would bring change. She dismissed his campaign pledges to scrap the Affordable Care Act as bluster.

Now, as she watches the new president push to kill the law that provided her with a critical lifeline, Watson finds herself among many Trump supporters who must reconcile their votes with worries about the future of their healthcare.

Watson, a proud, salty woman who was uninsurable a few years ago, isn’t ready to renounce Trump. But she’s increasingly frustrated by his vague promises to replace Obamacare with something better.

 

https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-obamacare-trump-voter-20170224-story.html

[OILERMAN]

 Watson said recently, sitting on the patio outside her mobile home.....

 

She's likely dead by now

[Righteous]

Hahaha!  Stupid fearmongering stories. Trump has said he won’t replace stupid ass Obamacare until he has something better.  MSM is desperate to keep the uninformed constantly stupid.  The silly sheep fall for every story.  How about we just use common sense based Trump’s record.  Did he end Obamacare in his first 4 years?  Did he put anyone in chains?  Or did he give us the best economy, most secure border we’ve seen, low unemployment, low crime and no wars?  Keep being stupid.  The Democratic Party only appeals to the stupid and gullible.

Edited November 10 by Righteous

[WG53]

40 minutes ago, Righteous said:

Hahaha!  Stupid fearmongering stories. Trump has said he won’t replace stupid ass Obamacare until he has something better.  MSM is desperate to keep the uninformed constantly stupid.  The silly sheep fall for every story.  How about we just use common sense based Trump’s record.  Did he end Obamacare in his first 4 years?  Did he put anyone in chains?  Or did he give us the best economy, most secure border we’ve seen, low unemployment, low crime and no wars?  Keep being stupid.  The Democratic Party only appeals to the stupid and gullible.

LOL

[Mythos27]

4 hours ago, Titandan said:

Do you think not allowing puberty blockers and sex change surgery until the person is an adult is unreasonable?

 

We in the US don't even allow tattoos until the age of 18, correct?

 

Puberty blockers, breast reduction surgeries, and castration are a bit more permanent than tattoos. I don't think it's too extreme to force the kid to become an adult to make these drastic decisions.  

 

Trans rights should be upheld but the amount of publicity and encouragement they receive these days are a bit contrived, and our enemies do but see this as a point of strength. They are laughing at us . China is experimenting with super soldiers while we're busy trying to force equity amongst our military. Boeing finally did away with their DEI programs. Turns out, DEI doesn't really help with the quality of engineering in state of the art aircrafts. 

 

Anyway hope trans people don't feel persecuted in the US but I'm not going to be forced to look at them with reverence or applaud bravery.  If my future kid comes out as whatever, I'll love and accept him (as an adult) regardless but doesn't mean I have to endorse or support that part of his life.  You all can persecute me for it, but I'll still probably think of it as a mental issue.  

 

Most MAGA are nor anti-trans. We typically don't care unless they're messing with our family or preying on the naivety of children. 

I think that until there is conclusive evidence that puberty blockers are actually unreasonably harmful, which there currently is not, those decisions should be made by families and their doctor. Period. And when I say actually harmful I mean something outside of manageable side-effects since most medications have side-effects of some form. As things stand, this is not your place or mine to meddle in.

 

The point of puberty blockers is to provide that kid time to really evaluate their decision on whether they truly want to transition. Without them, what you'll likely see is more kids rushing to transition before they've had the time to fully work out the potential ramifications with their family and medical professionals. Male trans kids in particular know how irreversible the effects of male puberty are and they know that they have very little chance of "passing" as a female if they wait for puberty to really hit. Trans people that "pass" have a much easier time being accepted socially than those who do not. Puberty blockers give kids time to say "you know what, I might feel uncomfortable in my body but I'm not sure that permanent changes are for me". This is what conservatives actually want; for kids to not transition and yet, in their ignorance and rush to shit on trans people they're going to make the opposite happen. It's dumb. 

 

Your false dichotomy concerning the U.S. and social policy is ridiculous. We are the pre-eminent empire on the planet. Treating trans people with dignity is not doing a fucking thing to slow down the American war machine. In case you haven't realized, some teens with blue hair haven't stopped us from using the Russia/Ukraine conflict as a dumping ground for old weapons and a testing ground for new ones. A lot of these countries were literally laughing at us in world meetings when Trump was in office and that didn't stop anyone from voting for him again. If our enemies doubt our capabilities, let them step up and do something about it. They don't want these problems. It's also a really bad line of argument from you considering that your side is trying to brand the democrats as the party of war. 

 

Your hopes are unfounded since trans people unequivocally feel targeted and demonized by the MAGA crowd and they are right to be. Conservatives have made opposing and mocking trans people a major plank of their movement. Trump's biggest ad was talking about transgender operations. You think that's a coincidence? I've given you the benefit of the doubt but I know that you're way too online to not know what I'm saying is true. Every meme, persecution of a suspected trans athlete, and purposeful misgendering of trans people comes from the right and you know this. I like you but that's conditional on you not playing games with me. To pretend that MAGA and the conservatives are treating trans people with dignity and respect is absurd and you should know by know that I don't do well with the gaslighting.

 

I have three kids and if any of them turn out to be trans, gay, or anything else, they'll have my support full stop. I don't view being gay or trans as something illegal, immoral, or a moral failing so I see no reason to not "endorse or support" that part of their life. Call me when my kid does something horrible/illegal to someone else. People would quicker forgive their kid for robbing a bank than coming out trans. THAT's immoral to me and it's crazy that anyone would disagree. We see the world very differently. 

Edited November 10 by Mythos27

[Titandan]

11 minutes ago, Mythos27 said:

I think that until there is conclusive evidence that puberty blockers are actually unreasonably harmful, which there currently is not, those decisions should be made by families and their doctor. Period. This is not your place or mine to meddle in. The point of puberty blockers is to provide that kid time to really evaluate their decision on whether they truly want to transition. Without them, what you'll likely see is more kids rushing to transition before they've had the time to fully work out the potential ramifications with their family and medical professionals. Puberty blockers give kids time to say "you know what, I do feel uncomfortable in my body but I'm not sure that permanent changes are for me". This is what conservatives actually want; for kids to not transition and yet, in their rush to shit on trans people they're going to make the opposite happen. It's dumb. 

 

Your false dichotomy concerning the U.S. and social policy is ridiculous. We are the per-eminent empire on the planet. Treating trans people with dignity is not doing a fucking thing to slow down the American war machine. In case you haven't realized, some teens with blue hair haven't stopped us from using the Russia/Ukraine conflict as a dumping ground for old weapons and a testing ground for new ones. A lot of these countries were literally laughing at us in world meetings when Trump was in office and that didn't stop anyone from voting for him again. Just a completely empty line of argument and I'm actually kind of disappointed that you went with it given how weak it is. 

 

Your hopes are unfounded since trans people unequivocally feel targeted and demonized by the MAGA crowd and they are right to be. Conservatives have made opposing and mocking trans people a major plank of their movement. Trump's biggest ad was talking about transgender operations. You think that's a coincidence? I've given you the benefit of the doubt but I know that you're way too online to not know what I'm saying is true. Every meme, persecution of a suspected trans athlete, and purposeful misgendering of trans people comes from the right and you know this. I like you but that's conditional on you not playing games with me. To pretend that MAGA and the conservatives are treating trans people with dignity and respect is absurd and you should know by know that I don't do well with the gaslighting. I speak very plainly about the ways in which democrats fail, you should be able to do the same with your side. 

There's are some prominent maga influences who are trans.  They probably take the criticisms or mocking in stride. I've been to maga events in Beverly Hills area. You'll be surprised with the diversity in that crowd.  No one really gave a shit who was what. I know you probably don't think much of us but we're not that evil.  Trans people would fit right in there. 

 

I'll criticize my own side if they do something wrong. Don't what I was gas lighting about

[Mythos27]

1 hour ago, Righteous said:

Hahaha!  Stupid fearmongering stories. Trump has said he won’t replace stupid ass Obamacare until he has something better.  MSM is desperate to keep the uninformed constantly stupid.  The silly sheep fall for every story.  How about we just use common sense based Trump’s record.  Did he end Obamacare in his first 4 years?  Did he put anyone in chains?  Or did he give us the best economy, most secure border we’ve seen, low unemployment, low crime and no wars?  Keep being stupid.  The Democratic Party only appeals to the stupid and gullible.

What are you talking about? He was 1 John McCain vote away from repealing the Obamacare. He campaigned on getting rid of it and when McCain voted to keep it, Trump was pissed and talking shit about him for it. What reality do you live in?

[OILERMAN]

1 minute ago, Mythos27 said:

What are you talking about? He was 1 John McCain vote away from repealing the Obamacare. He campaigned on getting rid of it and when McCain voted to keep it, Trump was pissed and talking shit about him for it. What reality do you live in?

 

I laughed when I read that

[Mythos27]

Just now, Titandan said:

There's are some prominent maga influences who are trans.  They probably take the criticisms or mocking in stride. I've been to maga events in Beverly Hills area. You'll be surprised with the diversity in that crowd.  No one really gave a shit who was what. I know you probably don't think much of us but we're not that evil.  Trans people would fit right in there. 

 

I'll criticize my own side if they do something wrong. Don't what I was gas lighting about

You trying to convince me that the MAGA/conservative crowd has not been targeting trans people is gaslighting. We both know that's not true. Your go-to when I point of how targeted groups feel is to pretend they're just making it all up. This is the second time you've pulled this on me. I don't appreciate it. People aren't making it up.

 

Conservatives love themselves a token, they'll allow trans people like Blair White to walk amongst them as long as they're shitting on other trans people and giving bigots cover but make no mistake, they will never accept those people as truly a part of their coalition. The conservative right is disgusted with most of the LGBTQ community but trans people especially repulse them. Everyone can see it.  What happened to Stephen Crowder when him and his partner decided to adopt children? Was the MAGA crowd "accepting" then? C'mon bro. I'm not the one for this. I appreciate our conversations but they have to be honest, otherwise I might as well talk to the other disingenuous conservatives on this board. 

[Mythos27]

7 minutes ago, OILERMAN said:

 

I laughed when I read that

These people are fucking cooked I swear. That dems keep losing to these people is incredibly embarrassing. It's why I'm a registered independent; I can't really defend this fucking party. 

Edited November 10 by Mythos27

[Righteous]

30 minutes ago, Mythos27 said:

These people are fucking cooked I swear. That dems keep losing to these people is incredibly embarrassing. It's why I'm a registered independent; I can't really defend this fucking party. 

No one needs defending.  You are the sad minority.  Liberalism is a mental illness.  Do you know your government can’t compel you to purchase anything.  The only way Obamacare was passed was because it was deceivingly said to be a tax.  It is unconstitutional.  And who benefits?  The insurance industry and Big Pharma.  It will be replaced and I applaud it.  

Edited November 10 by Righteous

[Righteous]

28 minutes ago, Mythos27 said:

You trying to convince me that the MAGA/conservative crowd has not been targeting trans people is gaslighting. We both know that's not true. Your go-to when I point of how targeted groups feel is to pretend they're just making it all up. This is the second time you've pulled this on me. I don't appreciate it. People aren't making it up.

 

Conservatives love themselves a token, they'll allow trans people like Blair White to walk amongst them as long as they're shitting on other trans people and giving bigots cover but make no mistake, they will never accept those people as truly a part of their coalition. The conservative right is disgusted with most of the LGBTQ community but trans people especially repulse them. Everyone can see it.  What happened to Stephen Crowder when him and his partner decided to adopt children? Was the MAGA crowd "accepting" then? C'mon bro. I'm not the one for this. I appreciate our conversations but they have to be honest, otherwise I might as well talk to the other disingenuous conservatives on this board. 

No one gives a fuck about LBTGQ or trans people. In America, “marginalized”people don't want equality, they want privilege.  No one deserves privilege.  That's the issue.  If a normal person can not walk in a parade naked and performing simulated sexual acts, then neither should trans and gays. 

[Mythos27]

24 minutes ago, Righteous said:

No one needs defending.  You are the sad minority.  Liberalism is a mental illness.  Do you know your government can’t compel you to purchase anything.  The only way Obamacare was passed was because it was deceivingly said to be a tax.  It is unconstitutional.  And who benefits?  The insurance industry and Big Pharma.  It will be replaced and I applaud it.  

So are you going to take back the lie that Trump isn't in favor of removing it or not?

[Mythos27]

22 minutes ago, Righteous said:

No one gives a fuck about LBTGQ or trans people. In America, “marginalized”people don't want equality, they want privilege.  No one deserves privilege.  That's the issue.  If a normal person can not walk in a parade naked and performing simulated sexual acts, then neither should trans and gays. 

Trump simulated a sex act on stage and your people cheered for it. Spare me the moralizations. The fact that you all don't give a fuck about the LGBTQ community is my whole point. Thanks for proving me correct even though I didn't need; I've been correct the entire time. 

[Titandan]

50 minutes ago, Mythos27 said:

You trying to convince me that the MAGA/conservative crowd has not been targeting trans people is gaslighting. We both know that's not true. Your go-to when I point of how targeted groups feel is to pretend they're just making it all up. This is the second time you've pulled this on me. I don't appreciate it. People aren't making it up.

 

Conservatives love themselves a token, they'll allow trans people like Blair White to walk amongst them as long as they're shitting on other trans people and giving bigots cover but make no mistake, they will never accept those people as truly a part of their coalition. The conservative right is disgusted with most of the LGBTQ community but trans people especially repulse them. Everyone can see it.  What happened to Stephen Crowder when him and his partner decided to adopt children? Was the MAGA crowd "accepting" then? C'mon bro. I'm not the one for this. I appreciate our conversations but they have to be honest, otherwise I might as well talk to the other disingenuous conservatives on this board. 

I'm genuinely confused. Is Stephen Crowder gay?  I know Blaire White and Kaitlyn Jenner are trans. Dave Ruben, Milo (before his fall) and a whole host of gay conservatives were accepted into the fold.

 

I personally don't care about their sexual orientation as long as they don't involve me.  Are there maga people who are homophobes? Probably yes.  But I have yet to see an instance where they have been persecuted for their orientation at maga events. 

 

I'm genuinely confused where I gaslit you.