2024 General Election - Trump vs Kamala Harris

[Titandan]

6 minutes ago, Mythos27 said:

Tulsi and RFK are NOT on the left. Tulsi has been grifting and drifting towards the right for years. There is just way more money is sucking up to Trump and feeding MAGA people the same warmed over bullshit they've been fed by others for years now. RFK is just a loon tbh, I can't take anything that guy says seriously. I don't event think he's helped Trump much and could end up hurting him in the states where he couldn't get himself off the ballot. 

Hmmm.. I honestly can't stand listening to him talk. I literally need subtitles to understand what he's saying.

But RFK is pretty liberal with energy, environment, abortion, free speech (which used to be a liberal issue), fiscal policy. 

I honestly don't understand in what way he's traditionally conservative. 

Tulsi is probably closer to a Bill Clinton Dem (90's version).  

Anyway, Voter ID is obviously necessary if you want to know who is voting... makes no sense not to. If it's the inner city areas that Dems are super majority in, they can prioritize giving their constituents affordable ID's.  If they can budget hundreds of millions for migrants, and hundreds of billions for foreign wars, I think $10 ID could be afforded by the DNC LOL 

I'm sorry, but voter suppression for minorities sounds like bullshit to me.  It's like blaming nonexistent Repubs for the homeless problem in LA. My ballot doesn't even have repubs in the majority of the local elections. I'm picking the more moderate of the two dems here.  

It's like the time I saw "F#ck White Supremacy" tagged on the wall in my area of LA.  I'm like, where are all the white people?  You'll be lucky to meet white folk walking around that intersection in my hood.  At what point does it become the current policy makers' responsibility? 

[Mythos27]

1 hour ago, Titandan said:

Hmmm... just a technical glitch? 

https://x.com/Rightanglenews/status/1852022667735634355

Gotta love all the comments about how these "mistakes always go one way". I've got a theory. It always goes one way because it's always bullshit being presented by people who favor Trump. Of course in their video, that no one else can ever replicate, it's going to show votes being "changed" from Trump to Harris. That's the narrative they're pushing. Trump supporters are the only ones that are interested in sowing mistrust in our elections generally and making it seem like Trump is being robber specifically. Democrats are dishonest children so we don't need to fabricate stupid videos like these to make it look like Harris votes are being changed to Trump. There. Simple. 

[Titans279]

Republicans are clearly being primed to think that this election is a Trump blow out and that the votes everywhere are being manipulated because if Trump loses Republicans want to try to throw it to the House and declare Trump the winner.

[Mythos27]

11 minutes ago, Titandan said:

Hmmm.. I honestly can't stand listening to him talk. I literally need subtitles to understand what he's saying.

But RFK is pretty liberal with energy, environment, abortion, free speech (which used to be a liberal issue), fiscal policy. 

I honestly don't understand in what way he's traditionally conservative. 

Tulsi is probably closer to a Bill Clinton Dem (90's version).  

Anyway, Voter ID is obviously necessary if you want to know who is voting... makes no sense not to. If it's the inner city areas that Dems are super majority in, they can prioritize giving their constituents affordable ID's.  If they can budget hundreds of millions for migrants, and hundreds of billions for foreign wars, I think $10 ID could be afforded by the DNC LOL 

I'm sorry, but voter suppression for minorities sounds like bullshit to me.  It's like blaming nonexistent Repubs for the homeless problem in LA. My ballot doesn't even have repubs in the majority of the local elections. I'm picking the more moderate of the two dems here.  

It's like the time I saw "F#ck White Supremacy" tagged on the wall in my area of LA.  I'm like, where are all the white people?  You'll be lucky to meet white folk walking around that intersection in my hood.  At what point does it become the current policy makers' responsibility? 

I wouldn't consider RFK conservative either. He's just a kook that wants attention. The dude was literally shopping himself to bot Kamala and Trump and was willing to go with whoever made him the sweetest deal. Tulsi is just a garden variety grifter. I don't think she actually believes in anything. Reminds me of Sinema from Arizona. Regardless of which one of us is right about white supremacy, voter suppression etc, that's irrelevant. We both think that voter ID is a good idea. I just want it to happen in a way where no one is potentially disenfranchised. What's the problem with that especially since the right thinks it's so crucial to secure elections? Isn't the few dollars it would cost money well spent?

[Mythos27]

2 minutes ago, Titans279 said:

Republicans are clearly being primed to think that this election is a Trump blow out and that the votes everywhere are being manipulated because if Trump loses Republicans want to try to throw it to the House and declare Trump the winner.

Yup. It is very unorthodox for a candidate in any election to project as much confidence as Trump and his team are. The typical political calculus is that if you make it seem like you've got it in the bag, it might depress your vote because people think they don't have to show up. The play is to make it seem like any single vote might make the difference. I really hope that this leads to blowout margins in what most think will be a close election. Would be poetic justice to be undone by his own arrogance. 

[OzTitan]

No margin would be too big to stop the 'stolen election' campaign.

[Titandan]

2 minutes ago, Mythos27 said:

Gotta love all the comments about how these "mistakes always go one way". I've got a theory. It always goes one way because it's always bullshit being presented by people who favor Trump. Of course in their video, that no one else can ever replicate, it's going to show votes being "changed" from Trump to Harris. That's the narrative they're pushing. Trump supporters are the only ones that are interested in sowing mistrust in our elections generally and making it seem like Trump is being robber specifically. Democrats are dishonest children so we don't need to fabricate stupid videos like these to make it look like Harris votes are being changed to Trump. There. Simple. 

I already made the point that both sides don't trust one another.

So why not keep the election as secure, transparent, and error free as possible?
If the election concluded on election night and these videos of windows being blocked off, and new shipments of ballots didn't keep getting transported, and there was no video or GPS tracking of these suspicious people dropping off dozens or hundreds of ballots into the ballot boxes, I would probably just accept the system as it was.  There would be no reason to question it.  I personally don't like researching these confusing cases because there are too many pain points in ways that the ballots can get damaged, stolen, and forged. Just want a simple, efficient, and transparent election.  As a concerned citizen, I know it's too much to ask.

[Titandan]

5 minutes ago, Mythos27 said:

I wouldn't consider RFK conservative either. He's just a kook that wants attention. The dude was literally shopping himself to bot Kamala and Trump and was willing to go with whoever made him the sweetest deal. Tulsi is just a garden variety grifter. I don't think she actually believes in anything. Reminds me of Sinema from Arizona. Regardless of which one of us is right about white supremacy, voter suppression etc, that's irrelevant. We both think that voter ID is a good idea. I just want it to happen in a way where no one is potentially disenfranchised. What's the problem with that especially since the right thinks it's so crucial to secure elections? Isn't the few dollars it would cost money well spent?

Yup. That's one area that I would love to support government money spent. 

[OzTitan]

https://x.com/mcuban/status/1851972708931715403

[Mythos27]

2 minutes ago, Titandan said:

I already made the point that both sides don't trust one another.

So why not keep the election as secure, transparent, and error free as possible?
If the election concluded on election night and these videos of windows being blocked off, and new shipments of ballots didn't keep getting transported, and there was no video or GPS tracking of these suspicious people dropping off dozens or hundreds of ballots into the ballot boxes, I would probably just accept the system as it was.  There would be no reason to question it.  I personally don't like researching these confusing cases because there are too many pain points in ways that the ballots can get damaged, stolen, and forged. Just want a simple, efficient, and transparent election.  As a concerned citizen, I know it's too much to ask.

Here is the thing though bud; we've had pretty much the same system FOREVER. It only became a problem when Trump decided to make it one. I don't believe that there is anything fundamentally wrong with our elections. I'll continue to believe that regardless of who wins next week. When Trump won in 2016 I was very surprised. The national media made it seem all but certain that Hilary would win emphatically and then she didn't. Despite my surprise, I didn't frantically run to twitter to cope by gorging myself on conspiracy theories and trying to find any way to invalidate the outcome. I put my big boy pants and on said "Damn, way more people support this guy than I thought. Let's see how this goes". We don't have an election integrity problem; we have an immature, sore loser, cry-baby bitch problem. I took my loss in 2016 like a man; Trumpers should be expected to do the same. 

[Titans279]

4 minutes ago, OzTitan said:

No margin would be too big to stop the 'stolen election' campaign.

 

Right.

 

Trump lost New Mexico by 11 point in 2020 and 8 points in 2016 but said "we almost won it twice" then said "I believe we won it twice if you want to know the truth." It was one of the states they tried to flip with lawsuits for some reason lol.

 

So yeah, doesn't matter even if he loses handily.

 

https://x.com/KamalaHQ/status/1852059120955707582

[Mythos27]

7 minutes ago, Titandan said:

Yup. That's one area that I would love to support government money spent. 

I agree. Now ask yourself why no one is doing it and why @LongTimeFan threw shit on the idea as soon as he could. Not everyone is an honest broker and they'll use reasonable shit like this to achieve their goals. If politicians spent their time actually trying to solve problems Americans wouldn't be at each other's throats all the time. 

Edited October 31, 2024 by Mythos27

[Jamalisms]

2 hours ago, Titandan said:

Hmmm... just a technical glitch? 

https://x.com/Rightanglenews/status/1852022667735634355

I'm sure Kentucky of all places is totally trying to slant towards Kamala Harris and it's not an isolated technical issue that was probably corrected and the device replaced by local officials right away.

 

Not that anyone should be filming in a polling location anyway and that makes the video a bit odd in the first place.

[Mythos27]

Women are going to have to save our asses in this election...AGAIN... Dudes gotta get their shit together forreal. 

[Titandan]

Just now, Mythos27 said:

Here is the thing though bud; we've had pretty much the same system FOREVER. It only became a problem when Trump decided to make it one. I don't believe that there is anything fundamentally wrong with our elections. I'll continue to believe that regardless of who wins next week. When Trump won in 2016 I was very surprised. The national media made it seem all but certain that Hilary would win emphatically and then she didn't. Despite my surprise, I didn't frantically run to twitter to cope by gorging myself on conspiracy theories and trying to find any way to invalidate the outcome. I put my big boy pants and on said "Damn, way more people support this guy than I thought. Let's see how this goes". We don't have an election integrity problem; we have an immature, sore loser, cry-baby bitch problem. I took my loss in 2016 like a man; Trumpers should be expected to do the same. 

I did the same thing when Obama won although I didn't vote for McCain and Romney was vanilla as they come. But the systems were changed in 2020 for many of the states. Mass mail in ballots system is not secure. And furthermore, this may just be optics but the election seemed like it was in the bag for Trump on election night.  Then the next day turned into uncertainty, and then a couple days later it was certain defeat.  

This may just be emotions playing on the lot of us Trump supporter. But we felt slighted. That's just a reality. Election nights were an event and once again, it may just be optics and emotions but we "felt" like it was stolen from us.  

Covid was used as the excuse for mass mail in ballots for many of the states and I personally felt like there was shenanigans going on.  

When I asked, @nine about the procedures they use to audit votes, to authenticate signatures, to make sure that the person on the ballot is the actual person who voted, to check if there's any way to figure out if any ballots were thrown away or misplaced, if there was any other way that these ballots can get damaged or defrauded. 

I haven't heard from him.  

It's much easier to audit paper ballots, with video surveillance of the whole process, with multiple representatives from each party present, with voter ID required, and it can even be livestreamed. 

We can even give the voters the option to tape up their names after the fill out the ballots for anonymity if they choose.

Once again, our system might be perfectly safe and I'm just being super paranoid but I think it's worth simplifying our elections so that both sides will have no reason to bitch about the results.  This shouldn't be partisan.