Mythos27 Posted October 31 Report Share Posted October 31 19 hours ago, Titandan said: That was a stupid choice to begin with. Shapiro was a much better VP nominee. She didn't chose him due to identity politics. She wanted the anti-Jewish, pro-Palestine wing of the dem party to jump on board. How can you believe this even after seeing how she's done very little to court the pro-palestine vote? All she had to do to gain those voters in droves was signal that she would be different than Biden on the Gaza issue. She's done the opposite. The truth is that she viewed Shapiro as a social climber and someone who would try to upstage her to set up his own future run while she viewed Walz as a team player that could be her attack dog. We'll see if her calculation was correct but the reasoning you are attributing to her is objectively incorrect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted October 31 Report Share Posted October 31 2 minutes ago, Mythos27 said: How can you believe this even after seeing how she's done very little to court the pro-palestine vote? All she had to do to gain those voters in droves was signal that she would be different than Biden on the Gaza issue. She's done the opposite. The truth is that she viewed Shapiro as a social climber and someone who would try to upstage her to set up his own future run while she viewed Walz as a team player that could be her attack dog. We'll see if her calculation was correct but the reasoning you are attributing to her is objectively incorrect. If she loses PA, the question of Walz over Shapiro will be front and center as it should be. It doesn't matter that Shapiro doesn't like to take a back seat to anyone, delivering PA is the most important thing in presidential politics right now as long as FL and TX are red. Jamalisms, Justafan, and Mythos27 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mythos27 Posted October 31 Popular Post Report Share Posted October 31 29 minutes ago, IrishTitansFan said: Without sounding like a right-wing moron (And I understand the reasons for it and why they don't want it changed) The fact you don't require ID at the polls to vote in some states is crazy to me. So to is the fact that postal voting is so accessible and that there are special postal vote booths just sitting their on the street???? In Ireland, you have to register to vote which requires a PPS (Social Security) number (Can only get one of these by personally attending a Police Office with ID and proof of address among other documents, then they send you a polling card. You then have to bring your ID to your designated polling station to vote and it is checked there. To vote by post you have to have a special reason that has to be accepted by the Government, this is often just students in college or Army members and isn't common. If you aren't in the country at the time of voting (living abroad or on holiday), you can't vote. I'd be all for voter ID if a free one was mailed to the residence of anyone over the age of 18 (or about to turn 18) and the cost of a replacement did not exceed say $10. This would also have to be done at least a year of from the nearest presidential election. The current attempts to institute voter ID is specifically aimed at depriving poorer Americans, who are often people of color and vote democrat, of their right to vote. Eliminate the hurdles and I'm all for it. As it stands, I'll trade the like 3 cases of voter fraud a year for millions to have the right to vote. No1TitansFan, titanruss, Starkiller, and 2 others 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted October 31 Report Share Posted October 31 3 minutes ago, oldschool said: If she loses PA, the question of Walz over Shapiro will be front and center as it should be. It doesn't matter that Shapiro doesn't like to take a back seat to anyone, delivering PA is the most important thing in presidential politics right now as long as FL and TX are red. And this would be a fair criticism. That's why I said that whether she did the right thing remains to be seen. Criticizing her for that however is fundamentally different from saying she did it to court pro-Palestine votes. Like Biden, she doesn't seem to give a fuck about Palestinian lives and voters. It's one of my biggest issues with her. We'll pressure her on that after she wins though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Nator Posted October 31 Report Share Posted October 31 3 hours ago, LongTimeFan said: That's because the US Dems don't run those cities. Yeah the people who run those cities are even further left. OILERMAN, IsntLifeFunny, and chef 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scine09 Posted October 31 Report Share Posted October 31 (edited) 32 minutes ago, oldschool said: If she loses PA, the question of Walz over Shapiro will be front and center as it should be. It doesn't matter that Shapiro doesn't like to take a back seat to anyone, delivering PA is the most important thing in presidential politics right now as long as FL and TX are red. She can win by taking MI/NC/GA as well if she doesn't win PA. In addition, there's other routes that include the swing states that don't include PA. But yeah PA would be nice. Edited October 31 by scine09 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishTitansFan Posted October 31 Report Share Posted October 31 39 minutes ago, Mythos27 said: I'd be all for voter ID if a free one was mailed to the residence of anyone over the age of 18 (or about to turn 18) and the cost of a replacement did not exceed say $10. This would also have to be done at least a year of from the nearest presidential election. The current attempts to institute voter ID is specifically aimed at depriving poorer Americans, who are often people of color and vote democrat, of their right to vote. Eliminate the hurdles and I'm all for it. As it stands, I'll trade the like 3 cases of voter fraud a year for millions to have the right to vote. I totally agree with you that Republicans are not acting in good faith and are trying to suppress voters, and your idea is a solid one, but that doesn't change the fact that it's crazy to me that this stuff isn't normal in the US. Here, most everyone will have a driver license/passport that they paid for, but there is a free public services card for anyone who accesses social welfare or has an approved PPSN Mythos27, and IsntLifeFunny 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted October 31 Report Share Posted October 31 3 minutes ago, IrishTitansFan said: I totally agree with you that Republicans are not acting in good faith and are trying to suppress voters, and your idea is a solid one, but that doesn't change the fact that it's crazy to me that this stuff isn't normal in the US. Here, most everyone will have a driver license/passport that they paid for, but there is a free public services card for anyone who accesses social welfare or has an approved PPSN I mean, I think it's been fairly obvious to the rest of the world what a mad-house the U.S. has been for a while now. It's gotta be terrifying to see such a powerful/influential nation behave so irresponsibly and erratically. chef, ChemEngr79, Starkiller, and 1 other 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nine Posted October 31 Report Share Posted October 31 1 hour ago, scine09 said: It's in all likelihood #3. Or it's something completely made up like 99% of these thing are anyways. I’m thinking probably option #2: the person reporting it either doesn’t understand the process or is misrepresenting the data…either deliberately or due to ignorance of how the votes are tabulated and data compiled. Remember the whole Mariscopa County/CyberNinjas audit after the 2020 election: on a near-daily basis , there were leaks about all the massive discrepancies and suspicious activities the audit was uncovering. And in every single case, it was soon determined that their “discrepancies” were due to auditors processing data incorrectly, failures to follow known best practices, and in some cases even pulling data from the wrong servers. CyberNinjas produced had a long laundry list of “suspicious” items they found…and in every single case, further inspection determined the data was completely legitimate and a perfectly normal part of election operations. By the time CyberNinjas turned in the final results of their audit, even their company president admitted the final report made no sense. Just another attempt by Republicans desperate to prove something that simply doesn’t exist. Starkiller, IsntLifeFunny, and Jamalisms 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishTitansFan Posted October 31 Report Share Posted October 31 8 minutes ago, nine said: Just another attempt by Republicans desperate to prove something that simply doesn’t exist. They are very obviously going to challenge the election if they lose. Everything from the polymarket nonsense to the fraud stuff shows that will happen Now, I think Trump wins. But this is obviously the plan all along Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted October 31 Report Share Posted October 31 46 minutes ago, IrishTitansFan said: They are very obviously going to challenge the election if they lose. Everything from the polymarket nonsense to the fraud stuff shows that will happen Now, I think Trump wins. But this is obviously the plan all along Why do you think Trump wins? I'm just not seeing it. Kamala is doing well across the board, better than Biden at this point in 2020. The only demographic she's lagged behind from Biden is with Hispanics...I bet she catches up there after the shitshow last Sunday. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ctm Posted October 31 Popular Post Report Share Posted October 31 55% of early voters are women. That's why Trump is desperate, lying through his teeth and trying to frame himself as their protectors despite being found liable by a jury for sexual assault. Mythos27, rns90, OILERMAN, and 2 others 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pamo9 Posted October 31 Report Share Posted October 31 Trump has decided not to go to OSU-PSU game Saturday. He's also gonna campaign in NH and NM. What's up with that??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scine09 Posted October 31 Report Share Posted October 31 (edited) 2 hours ago, pamo9 said: Trump has decided not to go to OSU-PSU game Saturday. He's also gonna campaign in NH and NM. What's up with that??? He would get booed mercilessly. That’s likely why he’s not going. Edited October 31 by scine09 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted October 31 Report Share Posted October 31 19 minutes ago, ctm said: 55% of early voters are women. That's why Trump is desperate, lying through his teeth and trying to frame himself as their protectors despite being found liable by a jury for sexual assault. Yeah, I was looking at some of the early vote numbers in swing states on that link that @rns90 posted and the women are really turning out. Given how well Kamala has done with the very key demographic of white women, the numbers are very encouraging. I spend a good amount of time on facebook and for a while, I was worried about particularly all of these young men of color that have really fallen for the sexism that these gender/dating wars have created. I was thinking "damn, a lot of these guys will probably vote for Trump". But then I remembered that while there are a lot of guys feeling like that, there are also women who are on the other side of this issue. These women are fucking pissed, they heavily favor Harris/dems, and there are substantially more of them than the butt-hurt dudes online who talk shit but likely won't get off their ass to actually vote. OILERMAN, and begooode 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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