Interesting Levis/AFC South QB Analysis

[BudsOilers]

Never heard of this guy before so no idea if he's really good at grading or not but discussion worthy.  On the surface, the grades seemed to be reasonable but I do think the guy is too mesmerized by the wow highlight plays and ignoring the bad/concerning things.  Also was interesting to see how he graded the other AFC South QB's.

 

It's not stuff we haven't discussed but it does humor me that he can dismiss away the bad and interceptable throws part......I do think the guy's math is off on the %'s but he categorized 24.7% (63 of 255) of  pass attempts as bad or interceptable.

 

 

 

[BudsOilers]

There are different players for sure but the hold/cold aspect of stuff is so Mariota 2015....Great first game and a couple of other good ones mixed in with a lot of bad.

[Strunk'sDessert]

Well, his formulas are messed up because Levis %'s total to like 200% on the 2nd image. 

 

But still interesting. 

[BudsOilers]

36 minutes ago, Strunk'sDessert said:

Well, his formulas are messed up because Levis %'s total to like 200% on the 2nd image. 

 

But still interesting. 

I have no idea about his % calculations for Levis but it looks like he did it correctly for the others.

 

If you recalculate, Levis had the highest interceptable rate of the group but was the best of the 4 in bad ball %.....

 

That being said, I think the sample size for Richardson is too small and for Levis the ATL game and the end of the Miami game were certainly big outliers compared to the rest of it.

[Justafan]

Would be interesting to see the grading criteria he used to measure those throws. Seems awfully subjective to me. It is not completely useless, but it is something less useful than PFF grades without knowing more IMO. 

 

Having said that, I do see the potential with Levis and hope he's a baller with better protection, a better scheme, and some better weapons. 

[flaming_thumbtack]

That's the thing about Levis. He will make a few plays a game that are sensational, top QB in the league kind of stuff. The problem is that he can't do it with any consistency, and he makes a few plays a game that are some of the worst decisions you'll ever see an NFL QB make. 

[flaming_thumbtack]

As for the random twitter dude's analysis: if I were to make a QB evaluation system, and it found that Will Levis was substantially better than Lawrence and Stroud, I'd go back to the drawing board. 

[Mythos27]

2 minutes ago, flaming_thumbtack said:

That's the thing about Levis. He will make a few plays a game that are sensational, top QB in the league kind of stuff. The problem is that he can't do it with any consistency, and he makes a few plays a game that are some of the worst decisions you'll ever see an NFL QB make. 

That was essentially my description of Drake Maye to a tee except I think Levis was a much better prospect than Maye. 

[flaming_thumbtack]

6 minutes ago, Mythos27 said:

That was essentially my description of Drake Maye to a tee except I think Levis was a much better prospect than Maye. 

I never really understood the hype around either of them. Levis especially just had so much he needed to fix while also just not having much he was very good at outside of athleticism and arm strength. Even after his first season, I don't think I would say there is any QB skill that Levis is top 20 in the league at outside of arm strength, which is great but ultimately worthless if you can't consistently put the ball where it needs to be. 

[Mythos27]

9 minutes ago, flaming_thumbtack said:

I never really understood the hype around either of them. Levis especially just had so much he needed to fix while also just not having much he was very good at outside of athleticism and arm strength. Even after his first season, I don't think I would say there is any QB skill that Levis is top 20 in the league at outside of arm strength, which is great but ultimately worthless if you can't consistently put the ball where it needs to be. 

What encourages me about Levis is his character and work ethic. He's going to do everything within his power to be great and I think that will lead to him at least being good. If he didn't have that drive I would think he had no shot. 

[BudsOilers]

Prototypical size, athleticism, and a plus arm are things the NFL loves.  The main reason Callahan was hired is the hope he can coach up the raw talent, which he did flash, and turn him into a consistently good player.  But if people are honest, the concerns with Levis, which we all saw when he did play, were the accuracy and decision making.  It's why he was not a top 5 pick and slid to 33rd and why we all are really not sure what he is and can be at his juncture.

 

As much as I'm unsure about this guy as a quality grader, the interceptable/bad pass stuff as well as the big time throws does jive with PFF and other folks in the space.

 

 

[SleepingTitan]

It's not really feasible to predict a QB's future based on his rookie performance. For better (Mariota) or worse (Manning).

Edited May 14, 2024 by SleepingTitan

[Titans279]

1 minute ago, Mythos27 said:

What encourages me about Levis is his character and work ethic. He's going to do everything within his power to be great and I think that will lead to him at least being good. If he didn't have that drive I would think he had no shot. 

 

I def worried when Ran said his worth ethic was a big part of why they believe in him tbh. Lot's of people work hard but don't ever make it. Seems like survivorship bias. Most successful QBs are hard workers, that doesn't mean that all hard workers will be good QBs

[BudsOilers]

I'm more interested at this point to see improvement in the concern areas and what aspects of the hard work are being directed to those.....I was a little concerned about a month or so ago with a Levis clip where his footwork was still awful.....

[Callidus]

2 hours ago, BudsOilers said:

Never heard of this guy before so no idea if he's really good at grading or not but discussion worthy.  On the surface, the grades seemed to be reasonable but I do think the guy is too mesmerized by the wow highlight plays and ignoring the bad/concerning things.  Also was interesting to see how he graded the other AFC South QB's.

 

It's not stuff we haven't discussed but it does humor me that he can dismiss away the bad and interceptable throws part......I do think the guy's math is off on the %'s but he categorized 24.7% (63 of 255) of  pass attempts as bad or interceptable.

 

 

 

It also adds up to 200ish %. Didn't do that with anyone else...