IsntLifeFunny Posted January 8 Author Report Share Posted January 8 Irish, for real, I have zero idea what you're even attempting to say. Did you not watch the KC game where we went up 10-0 and then proceeded to force the ball to Henry? Baltimore game? Cinci game where we gave him 20 carries for 40 yards versus Foreman at 4 for 44? You're mixing things that are happening simultaneously and then equating them to solely inability to adjust. Well yeah, they've sucked at that as well, but the notion they haven't become more conservative with a lead or in the playoffs is nonsense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishTitansFan Posted January 8 Report Share Posted January 8 11 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said: I fully understand what you're trying to say and doing poorly with the attempt. The idea the offense doesn't get more conservative with a lead is bullshit. It has nothing to do with Levis. We've seen this over and over again. You're conflating things here. Run rate does not equate to what you're saying. Any notion the team did not go conservative in the last 3 playoff games is wild to me. Thinking they didn't do the same against Texas isn't worth any further discussion. They didn't "go conservative" They were a run first offense in the first and second half Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted January 8 Report Share Posted January 8 Just now, IrishTitansFan said: They didn't "go conservative" They were a run first offense in the first and second half AJ Brown had a lot of targets and a TD to get the 10-0 lead vs the Ravens. He had next to none the rest of the game and Henry was stone walled on 1st down run after first down run japan, IsntLifeFunny, LOPEZ, and 1 other 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishTitansFan Posted January 8 Report Share Posted January 8 7 minutes ago, OILERMAN said: No, it was a historic passing efficiency and redzone % that may not be seen in the NFL again in. You can't hope to duplicate that. The Titans had the 5th highest passer rated offense of all time. It covered up for the philosophy. This is true and why im criticising them for not adjusting, but not one person would have said they didn't want to score with that offense. Of course they want to score Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted January 8 Report Share Posted January 8 Just now, IrishTitansFan said: This is true and why im criticising them for not adjusting, but not one person would have said they didn't want to score with that offense. Of course they want to score Yes they did but it's wasn't optimal just because it worked. Since then it's been a disaster. It's not a fluke they;ve gone so long without scoring 30 OzTitan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishTitansFan Posted January 8 Report Share Posted January 8 Just now, OILERMAN said: AJ Brown had a lot of targets and a TD to get the 10-0 lead vs the Ravens. He had next to none the rest of the game and Henry was stone walled on 1st down run after first down run The Ravens adjusted, the Titans did not You are giving them way too much credit. They were always running the ball too much. It didn't matter what the score was Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishTitansFan Posted January 8 Report Share Posted January 8 Just now, OILERMAN said: Yes they did but it's wasn't optimal just because it worked. Since then it's been a disaster. It's not a fluke they;ve gone so long without scoring 30 Yes, exactly what I'm saying. They wrongly assumed past results = future results Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted January 8 Report Share Posted January 8 2 minutes ago, IrishTitansFan said: The Ravens adjusted, the Titans did not You are giving them way too much credit. They were always running the ball too much. It didn't matter what the score was 1 minute ago, IrishTitansFan said: Yes, exactly what I'm saying. They wrongly assumed past results = future results Sounds like we agree, get him outta here! LOPEZ, Smokes, and IrishTitansFan 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted January 8 Report Share Posted January 8 After hearing all the behind the scenes stuff about Vrabel and friction over control of the roster, I have even less faith that he's the guy to lead the team. This offense requires high level offensive line play. They want to man block and run the ball - requires bigger stronger offensive lineman that can stand their ground. They want to pass on long slow developing pass plays from under center, which requires really good pass blocking. The offensive line they put together was never going to succeed in this offense, making the decision to gamble on Dillard even more damning IMO. Mike Vrabel can set a culture and motivate players but he hires subpar staff and no one there is a highly talented Xs and Os guy which I believe you need to have to be consistently good in this league unless you have an ELITE QB. Hearing everything about Ran being an agenda hire from the league...IF TRUE, then I personally want them to clean house and start over. Hire a GM. The best guy for the job, regardless of who they are, and then let that guy go hire a coach. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrueLuvYaBlue77 Posted January 8 Report Share Posted January 8 Considering Vrabel's private love affair with Stunk Adams, unfortunately, his spell has been cast and not going anywhere in 2024 very, very, sadly. Maybe one of you can find the remedy and cure her. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted January 8 Report Share Posted January 8 10 minutes ago, Justafan said: After hearing all the behind the scenes stuff about Vrabel and friction over control of the roster, I have even less faith that he's the guy to lead the team. This offense requires high level offensive line play. They want to man block and run the ball - requires bigger stronger offensive lineman that can stand their ground. They want to pass on long slow developing pass plays from under center, which requires really good pass blocking. The offensive line they put together was never going to succeed in this offense, making the decision to gamble on Dillard even more damning IMO. Mike Vrabel can set a culture and motivate players but he hires subpar staff and no one there is a highly talented Xs and Os guy which I believe you need to have to be consistently good in this league unless you have an ELITE QB. Hearing everything about Ran being an agenda hire from the league...IF TRUE, then I personally want them to clean house and start over. Hire a GM. The best guy for the job, regardless of who they are, and then let that guy go hire a coach. Fire Carthon? get the hell out of here with that nonsense. Dude obviously needs more than a partial year to get his front office and eval systems into place. Lets say for argument's sake he was an agenda hire on the part of the league, I don't buy this for one second, then why is that his fault? Dude was on everyone's shortlist for GM openings last year. its not like he was a scrub who got the job because he's a hanger on like Bowen to Vrabel. DCTitan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat Posted January 8 Report Share Posted January 8 46 minutes ago, IrishTitansFan said: True, and they lack imagination both in-game and week to week based on opposition. I think this is true, but also not true. That flea flicker to a screen was creative. The problem overall is that one athletic and smart linebacker could blow that play up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted January 8 Report Share Posted January 8 4 minutes ago, oldschool said: Fire Carthon? get the hell out of here with that nonsense. Dude obviously needs more than a partial year to get his front office and eval systems into place. Lets say for argument's sake he was an agenda hire on the part of the league, I don't buy this for one second, then why is that his fault? Dude was on everyone's shortlist for GM openings last year. its not like he was a scrub who got the job because he's a hanger on like Bowen to Vrabel. I believe the reports but even if you want to keep Carthon, I'm fine with giving him a chance. In that case, get rid of Vrabel, and let Ran hire his guy. I don't think Ran and Vrabel's philosophies are meshing well together and I don't think the current structure is a formula for success. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted January 8 Report Share Posted January 8 1 minute ago, Justafan said: I believe the reports but even if you want to keep Carthon, I'm fine with giving him a chance. In that case, get rid of Vrabel, and let Ran hire his guy. I don't think Ran and Vrabel's philosophies are meshing well together and I don't think the current structure is a formula for success. There not real reports, just rumors of rumors. Show me a credible report and I'll eat crow. This just seems like one of those things that gets tweeted by a rando and then the internet just magnifies it to be point of absurdity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted January 8 Report Share Posted January 8 5 minutes ago, oldschool said: There not real reports, just rumors of rumors. Show me a credible report and I'll eat crow. This just seems like one of those things that gets tweeted by a rando and then the internet just magnifies it to be point of absurdity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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