titanruss Posted November 20, 2023 Report Share Posted November 20, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, BudsOilers said: No. You've been caught in too many lies over the years to get any benefit of doubt here. You did the same BS with Mariota and I correctly smashed you back then too. Nope.. never lies. Mistakes with stats at 7 am in china on a fast train to Hong Kong with bad reception and loaded with stimulants? Sure. I tucked my tail and admitted to them as well. What could I lie about? I'm not in the locker room to know things anyone else doesn't. Edited November 20, 2023 by titanruss Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudsOilers Posted November 20, 2023 Report Share Posted November 20, 2023 Well when I give out stats/data, which I do a lot, I make sure I'm right so that I don't make "mistakes". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lars Posted November 20, 2023 Report Share Posted November 20, 2023 1 hour ago, Mythos27 said: I've long said that I don't believe QBs can be "ruined" mentally but they sure as hell can get broken physically. It's only a matter of time with Levis. Being broken physically and ruined mentally are completely related to one another, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted November 20, 2023 Report Share Posted November 20, 2023 1 minute ago, Lars said: Being broken physically and ruined mentally are completely related to one another, I disagree. Burrow had his body broken his rookie year and came out firing missiles the very next year, He's a dog. If Levis is a dog too he'll do the same. Getting mentally broken by struggle means you were never going to make it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lars Posted November 20, 2023 Report Share Posted November 20, 2023 3 minutes ago, Mythos27 said: I disagree. Burrow had his body broken his rookie year and came out firing missiles the very next year, He's a dog. If Levis is a dog too he'll do the same. Getting mentally broken by struggle means you were never going to make it. Well yeah It depends on the persons makeup. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacNasty Posted November 21, 2023 Report Share Posted November 21, 2023 I don't think it's a useless stat. You can bake raw QB stats any way you want and make them useful. The problem is stats in general are at the end of that chain of events, and for a QB incorporate a ton of different elements like how good your line is, your pass game weapons, to what extent your gameplanner knows what he's doing, what defense you're playing, play calls, and so on. And then you add a dash of idiots on the internet who don't know shit about football and you have so much noise it's hard to see the truth of things. Where the truth is right now: Levis is a stud of a young QB. Titans did a great thing going and getting him, now they need to build around him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiscotitansfan Posted November 21, 2023 Report Share Posted November 21, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, MacNasty said: Where the truth is right now: Levis is a stud of a young QB. Titans did a great thing going and getting him, now they need to build around him. I like the dude because I think he has shown he at least can make some throws to give the OC an interesting playbook, but what have you seen that you could possibly be convinced he is a "stud of a young QB" besides heaving up a couple throws against awful secondary play that couldn't gameplan for him? Edited November 21, 2023 by wiscotitansfan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
XAEA12 Posted November 21, 2023 Report Share Posted November 21, 2023 On 11/19/2023 at 4:58 PM, BudsOilers said: This is a massive oversimplification. Simple is good. It clarifies the convoluted. If a guy is 15/25 for 300 yards and 3 TDs and 0 INTs did he have a good game? It depends. Those stats tell you attempts completions, TDs and INTs, he's got 141 passer rating. What if they lost 50-21. What if it was backups on the opposing teams in the 4th quarter not moving the ball effectively on offense allowing more scoring opportunity for the QB, and backups on defense that gave up a big screen pass for a 90 yard TD and another hail Mary as time expired for a 70 yard score. What if he got sacked 9 times? Another stat. More data. There's so many variables, and you compile more stats for more data to create a picture, but at the end of the day the data is the data, it only tells you what it tells you - what happened. It's up to the subject to perceive the data in a way to draw accurate conclusions. Justafan, and IsntLifeFunny 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacNasty Posted November 21, 2023 Report Share Posted November 21, 2023 16 hours ago, wiscotitansfan said: I like the dude because I think he has shown he at least can make some throws to give the OC an interesting playbook, but what have you seen that you could possibly be convinced he is a "stud of a young QB" besides heaving up a couple throws against awful secondary play that couldn't gameplan for him? He is comfortable making reads at the line of scrimmage, which a lot of rookie QBs can not do very well. He is in charge in the huddle, gets the boys in and out and runs that tempo. He is accurate downfield, which is very hard to find in QBs nowadays, with so many checkdown artists scraping by with screens and short passes. Guy like him you can do that stuff while still threatening teams deep. He is brave in the pocket and can read while under pressure, which is something you cannot teach. And coming from a WCO type scheme to the Titans and their EP system was a tough change for a rook, but he seems to have full grasp of the scheme which in itself is quite impressive. Going back to college he played through injury his last season and never heard an excuse from him about his play. He also had lost his OC to the NFL, as well as the blockers who helped him to play so well the previous season. I expect him to work himself to where he needs to be and he has the talent to get it done. I think the Titans hit a grand slam with this kid. IsntLifeFunny, No1TitansFan, and wiscotitansfan 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanruss Posted November 21, 2023 Report Share Posted November 21, 2023 20 hours ago, BudsOilers said: Well when I give out stats/data, which I do a lot, I make sure I'm right so that I don't make "mistakes". Sure, most try that. Though Just yesterday you were wrong about titans scores too. IsntLifeFunny 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudsOilers Posted November 21, 2023 Report Share Posted November 21, 2023 Good presentation of Big Time Throws vs Turnover Worthy Plays.....Levis kind of by himself right now in terms of risk taking (decision making). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzTitan Posted November 21, 2023 Report Share Posted November 21, 2023 Mayfield is "boring"? would not have guessed that, he seems to throw a lot of risky passes when I've seen him this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzTitan Posted November 21, 2023 Report Share Posted November 21, 2023 Also interesting to see Tannehill also bordering on the risk-takers quadrant. Is this a recent thing I wonder? can't imagine it was like that when the offense (OL) was performing better. The reason I highlight it is because given we know more about Tannehill than Levis as a QB, Tannehill's position here may be more or less the baseline/starting point for a QB in this Titans offense (as in, you gotta get it out quickly and into tight windows due to the abhorrent offense around them). So you may be able to basically link his and Levis' position together, and move them accordingly under the assumption things improve for Levis at some point going forward. Although it kind of seems like Levis is actually looking pretty good on this graph? if a top arm talent came into a bad situation but was still making positive plays where feasible, that's where you'd expect them to land? IsntLifeFunny 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudsOilers Posted November 21, 2023 Report Share Posted November 21, 2023 The chart looks at Big Time Throws vs Turnover Worthy Plays. Hence guys with more BTT's and less TWP's are going to be in the good quadrant. Tannehill has 9 BTT's and 7 TWP's for the season. Levis is even at 8 and 8 in less games/attempts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliTitan3518 Posted November 22, 2023 Report Share Posted November 22, 2023 I have not seen anything from Will Levis that makes me think he is going to be a top tier QB. Lets build the rest of the roster out and see if he improves. I really don't want to get stuck with an average QB again. XAEA12 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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