I'll say it. Levis should start this week.

[titanruss]

1 hour ago, BudsOilers said:

Tyler Rowland can be really annoying and he's actually wrong here - this was a first down play right before half (right before the bad Spears pass).....but he's correct and Vrabel said this on Friday too - he made a bad decision to force it to DHop rather than go to the correct read.  Both this play and the Spears one should have been easy TD passes.

 

 

 

 

 

 I feel like the contrast to this would be if the QBs were switched that people would be saying that DHop was the first read and the QB "had" to go there.

23 minutes ago, IrishTitansFan said:

Tannehill is bottom 5 at getting the ball out under pressure. He may not be at fault for the pressure but when it comes he ain’t getting the ball out and he ain’t extending plays

 

His footwork is simply too slow now, as is his release. It’s clear as day to anyone who is seeing it with clear eyes

 

And no, it’s not because of quick pressure (the other side of this is they have a ton of extra blockers in)

 

 

 

 

 

Tannehill is the much better QB in a clean pocket still IMO. He’s a better decision maker and thrower. Levis can navigate a dirty pocket a lot better but the throws may be off

It depends what Vrabel is valuing more

 

The second chart just stands out to me that we are exactly average for quick pressure faced.

 

 

[BudsOilers]

The big problem is that you guys don't even understand what those charts tell you versus they don't tell.

 

On chart 1 about extending plays after pressure, once Levis qualifies he's going be right around where Tannehill is based on the first two games.

 

On chart 2, if you are taking a 5-7 step drop on obvious passing attempt (where 80% of Tannehill's sacks have been) and you're LT doesn't lay a hand on his guy.....that's immediate pressure but not in 2.5 seconds per se.

[titanruss]

10 minutes ago, BudsOilers said:

The big problem is that you guys don't even understand what those charts tell you versus they don't tell.

 

On chart 1 about extending plays after pressure, once Levis qualifies he's going be right around where Tannehill is based on the first two games.

 

On chart 2, if you are taking a 5-7 step drop on obvious passing attempt (where 80% of Tannehill's sacks have been) and you're LT doesn't lay a hand on his guy.....that's immediate pressure but not in 2.5 seconds per se.

 

The big problem is that you are assuming context without the actual context .. for our guy and everyone else being charted

[IsntLifeFunny]

11 minutes ago, BudsOilers said:

 

 

On chart 2, if you are taking a 5-7 step drop on obvious passing attempt (where 80% of Tannehill's sacks have been) and you're LT doesn't lay a hand on his guy.....that's immediate pressure but not in 2.5 seconds per se.

 

[BudsOilers]

You seriously don't understand that? 

 

Simply doing a 5-7 step drop (and that's done on designed routes that take time to develop) but you're QB is getting hit right then, it's likely not under 2.5 seconds (which is the arbitrary time this person uses for the chart).

 

It's immediate pressure for the play design.

 

[BudsOilers]

Back on topic, here's early down/late down stuff that shows what a fucking retard Vrabel is.  Also how bad the 3rd down offense is - bad with Tannehill, even worse with Levis.

 

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[IsntLifeFunny]

2 minutes ago, BudsOilers said:

You seriously don't understand that? 

 

Simply doing a 5-7 step drop (and that's done on designed routes that take time to develop) but you're QB is getting hit right then, it's likely not under 2.5 seconds (which is the arbitrary time this person uses for the chart).

 

It's immediate pressure for the play design.

 

You said if the tackle doesn't get a hand on him. It doesn't take 2.5 seconds to get to a QB on a 7 step drop untouched lol.

[BudsOilers]

2 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said:

You said if the tackle doesn't get a hand on him. It doesn't take 2.5 seconds to get to a QB on a 7 step drop untouched lol.

Sure it can depending on the edge guy's alignment but I'd venture to guess most of the sacks were not complete jailbreaks.  

 

The POINT, however, is that the chart/metric is not nearly as telling as the people want it to be.  Not to mention Levis is going to be in a similar spot once he has enough drop backs to qualify.....

[titanruss]

I think everyone agrees we should try and throw more on conflicted downs.. but we also need to see Levis against a candy-ass pass rush to get a better take on his straight drop backs. ATL and Pitt were pretty elite at hurries/hits/pressures.

 

Buccs should be a little easier pass rush to go against but they do blitz often and get INTs from it.

 

Of course I dont expect he'd be better than RT at this point.

[BudsOilers]

Levis the starter per Vrabel

[IrishTitansFan]

33 minutes ago, BudsOilers said:

Sure it can depending on the edge guy's alignment but I'd venture to guess most of the sacks were not complete jailbreaks.  

 

The POINT, however, is that the chart/metric is not nearly as telling as the people want it to be.  Not to mention Levis is going to be in a similar spot once he has enough drop backs to qualify.....

You can basically use whatever chart/metric/number or eye test you want to, Tannehill has been getting sacked under any pressure more than almost any QB in the league and cannot extend plays anymore (This is just weeks 1-3)

 

 

 

The are also not in unfavourable down and distances at a terrible rate (although you'd like to get better because every third down is almost a wasted pay with LT play)

 

The problem with the offense has been overwhelmingly plays in key areas (Redzone, third down)

 

[BudsOilers]

I don't think it's a QB driven result though.  I fully expect similar things (and we've seen this in the 2 Levis games).  In fact, they've been worse on 3rd down the last 2 weeks.

 

Now if they can somehow patch up LT (Radunz or Skoronski....), get Hubbard back at RT, and pass more on early downs, that would really help the offense.

[reo]

5 hours ago, bizzyeddie said:

Levis hasn't shown escapbility but he is so much better at making quick decisions that help to avoid sacks...sacks that tannehill would have taken for sure.

 

Bc he's not trying to escape. There were multiple times in both games where he maneuvered in the pocket and made throws. 1 specifically last game in the 1st half stands out where he side stepped pressure and hit either an out or crosser as he was getting hit.

[reo]

3 hours ago, BudsOilers said:

I don't think it's a QB driven result though. 

 

We know you don't. And that assumption is what is driving your conclusions, not the data which is why you're not really taken seriously as a stats guy.

[titanskick8851]

1 hour ago, reo said:

 

Bc he's not trying to escape. There were multiple times in both games where he maneuvered in the pocket and made throws. 1 specifically last game in the 1st half stands out where he side stepped pressure and hit either an out or crosser as he was getting hit.