Offense - Home vs Away so far

[LongTimeFan]

Did some idiot just insinuate the players don't know the snap count on pass plays for road games while they do for home games?

[big2033]

38 minutes ago, japan said:

It is funny to see big, who’s been wildly wrong about Tannehill since 2019 now banging his chest as the guy ages out.  He’s similar to that guy logicals who told us we’d never win with Tannehill, then we got to AFCCG one year and win the #1 seed another.  A five year late ‘told you so…’

 

Tannehill needs to be replaced and Levis looks to maybe be the guy to do it.

 

 

 

Tannehill hasn't had a good season since 2020. What was I wrong about? He had one good season behind a RB who ran for 2,000 yards. 

 

Go look at the history of RBs who run for 2,000s and generally the QBs part in that offense. Tannehill was efficient in an offense behind a star RB who was an MVP candidate and a generational WR.

 

So I don't know WTF you're on about. 

 

Tannehill was a solid player for us, but he obviously had a ceiling, hit it behind a historical RB season in 2020 and has been sliding back to what he is ever since.

 

I thought he was as good as Jared Goff but now looking at the whole picture I was wrong. Jared Goff is better, and has been better in every facet.

Edited November 1, 2023 by big2033

[BudsOilers]

LOL - it's a fact that Levis ran the same offense as what they had been doing in all of the other games.   The coaches even said as much post game and this week.

 

It's a fact that the offense at home (and I don't consider the London game a home game even though it technically was) has scored 27, 27, and 28 points and it's no coincidence they won all 3.  In each win, the offense was fueled by huge explosive pass plays - almost exclusively on 1st or 2nd down.  Only the 38 yard deep pass to Hopkins was a 3rd down play.  And of course 3rd down is where the offense is horrid if it's an obvious passing situation.  

 

 

Here's your QB stats for the 3 home games:

 

 

But act like it's different because the 3 explosive pass plays resulted in TD on that specific play instead of accounting for most of the yards on drives that......ended in a TD.

 

On the road, they generally have either missed huge explosive pass play opportunities (think week 1 vs NO on Tannehill) or saw defenses take that away.  Their three long explosive pass plays on the road was the Henry screen vs NO for 46, a 36 yarder to Hopkins vs Indy, and the Spears bubble screen for 48 vs Baltimore.  Games where the offense bogged down in the RZ in each game.

 

 

[TerryBoats]

25 minutes ago, BudsOilers said:

LOL - it's a fact that Levis ran the same offense as what they had been doing in all of the other games.   The coaches even said as much post game and this week.

 

It's a fact that the offense at home (and I don't consider the London game a home game even though it technically was) has scored 27, 27, and 28 points and it's no coincidence they won all 3.  In each win, the offense was fueled by huge explosive pass plays - almost exclusively on 1st or 2nd down.  Only the 38 yard deep pass to Hopkins was a 3rd down play.  And of course 3rd down is where the offense is horrid if it's an obvious passing situation.  

 

 

Here's your QB stats for the 3 home games:

 

 

But act like it's different because the 3 explosive pass plays resulted in TD on that specific play instead of accounting for most of the yards on drives that......ended in a TD.

 

On the road, they generally have either missed huge explosive pass play opportunities (think week 1 vs NO on Tannehill) or saw defenses take that away.  Their three long explosive pass plays on the road was the Henry screen vs NO for 46, a 36 yarder to Hopkins vs Indy, and the Spears bubble screen for 48 vs Baltimore.  Games where the offense bogged down in the RZ in each game.

 

 

Red Zone TD Conversions  (with Tannehill):

 

Home:  5/8  (62.5%)

Away:  2/13  (15.38%)

 

There's your explanation right there. 

 

The offense scored TDs on 72.73% of their red zone trips in Away games last year, so this particular issue is a fairly new development.  

[rns90]

They miss Downing designing plays in the red zone.  It was one of the few things he was good at.

[oldschool]

40 minutes ago, BudsOilers said:

LOL - it's a fact that Levis ran the same offense as what they had been doing in all of the other games.   The coaches even said as much post game and this week.

 

It's a fact that the offense at home (and I don't consider the London game a home game even though it technically was) has scored 27, 27, and 28 points and it's no coincidence they won all 3.  In each win, the offense was fueled by huge explosive pass plays - almost exclusively on 1st or 2nd down.  Only the 38 yard deep pass to Hopkins was a 3rd down play.  And of course 3rd down is where the offense is horrid if it's an obvious passing situation.  

 

 

Here's your QB stats for the 3 home games:

 

 

But act like it's different because the 3 explosive pass plays resulted in TD on that specific play instead of accounting for most of the yards on drives that......ended in a TD.

 

On the road, they generally have either missed huge explosive pass play opportunities (think week 1 vs NO on Tannehill) or saw defenses take that away.  Their three long explosive pass plays on the road was the Henry screen vs NO for 46, a 36 yarder to Hopkins vs Indy, and the Spears bubble screen for 48 vs Baltimore.  Games where the offense bogged down in the RZ in each game.

 

 

 

It may have been the same offense but they were up from 25% avg PA to 40% and had more screens and quick hitters  called than normal. I don't know if that was due to the QB change or an adjustment during the bye. Regardless they need to run more PA and screens like they did moving forward to offset the OL issues which aren't going away.

[BudsOilers]

3 hours ago, oldschool said:

 

It may have been the same offense but they were up from 25% avg PA to 40% and had more screens and quick hitters  called than normal. I don't know if that was due to the QB change or an adjustment during the bye. Regardless they need to run more PA and screens like they did moving forward to offset the OL issues which aren't going away.

They definitely upticked the PA % and screen game to help Levis and avoid putting him in the pure drop back game where pass protection is an issue.

 

And as for the deep shots, Tannehill had the highest % of deep throws going into the game and Levis exceeded that % but I do think that coincided with using PA and having ATL playing man coverage on the WR's.

[oldschool]

9 minutes ago, BudsOilers said:

They definitely upticked the PA % and screen game to help Levis and avoid putting him in the pure drop back game where pass protection is an issue.

 

And as for the deep shots, Tannehill had the highest % of deep throws going into the game and Levis exceeded that % but I do think that coincided with using PA and having ATL playing man coverage on the WR's.

 

Yeah. I made that point in the other thread. The idea Tannehill wasn't taking deep shots because of his arm or unwillingness are flat out not true.

[IsntLifeFunny]

5 hours ago, rns90 said:

They miss Downing designing plays in the red zone.  It was one of the few things he was good at.

We can all fully agree about that. Dude is like a savant in the redzone and a complete idiot the rest of the time.  

[oldschool]

13 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said:

We can all fully agree about that. Dude is like a savant in the redzone and a complete idiot the rest of the time.  

 

Downing flaw is play calling. His designs are actually pretty good.

[TerryBoats]

9 hours ago, oldschool said:

 

Downing flaw is play calling. His designs are actually pretty good.

His first few scripted drives were always good.  Probably why their Red Zone % was so high, as the vast majority of their points came in the first half.

[bizzyeddie]

On 11/1/2023 at 12:04 AM, TerryBoats said:

I don't give a fuck about Tannehill.  The guy can take his pilot license and his hot wife and fly to the fucking moon for all I care.  

 

Dude, I made a thread before the game about how we should commit to Levis and hire his former coach.  I made a thread after about how we should protect him from this shitty ass coaching staff and OL so it doesn't interfere with his development.  I clearly like the guy, and if he struggles, I won't conclude that he magically sucks overnight.  That there were certain circumstances and conditions which led to that happening, that we are discussing right now.

you cant fly to the moon in a plane

[pat]

23 hours ago, LongTimeFan said:

Did some idiot just insinuate the players don't know the snap count on pass plays for road games while they do for home games?

Did some idiot just insinuate that the issue on the road is about knowing the snap count, rather than the rather obvious issue of hearing it when the crowd is up?

[OILERMAN]

2 minutes ago, pat said:

Did some idiot just insinuate that the issue on the road is about knowing the snap count, rather than the rather obvious issue of hearing it when the crowd is up?

 

Such an obvious and easy to understand concept

 

or so you would think

[Justafan]

On 10/31/2023 at 10:08 PM, big2033 said:

 

You 100% giive a fuck about Tannehill lol. 

 

Answer the question. If Levis sucks, it's not on him and because our offenses are the same, Levis is as good as Tannehill right now. 

 

I'm just working from your framework. It's our line and the road defenses fault.

Rookie QB, on the road, on a short week, against a good defense with TJ Watt going up against this OL?

 

I'm not holding shit against the rook if he plays poorly tonight. Vrabel might, though.