big2033 Posted November 1 Report Share Posted November 1 2 minutes ago, TerryBoats said: Nobody is trying to sabotage the career of a rookie who just threw 4 TDs so that they can relive the glory days with a 35 year old QB. I don't understand the point of joining a football forum just to have boneheaded discussions. The sport is filled with nuance, context, which is why analytics are such a big part of it right now. There are plenty of places to shout " Tannehill bad! Levis good!". But why would you want to waste a significant portion of your time on an online forum doing so? Nuance and context is not one sided. I suggest you take your own advice and not peddle a home and away record that is trying to compare QBs by adding team stats lol. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryBoats Posted November 1 Report Share Posted November 1 Just now, big2033 said: Nuance and context is not one sided. I suggest you take your own advice and not peddle a home and away record that is trying to compare QBs by adding team stats lol. Tannehill had more yards, yards per attempt, and higher completion % in both of his home games than Levis did. He didn't throw 4 TDs, but his efficiency and effectiveness were the primary drivers behind the offensive success. Most, as in nearly all games are not going to feature the QB scoring by throwing a bunch of 40+ yard bombs. If Levis accomplishes that again, than he's an amazing exception to the rule and I digress. But it's very likely that defenses are going to take that away and force him to win in different ways, and he's going to struggle. And neither I nor Bud want to say "I told you so" because the success of a young franchise QB is more important than a ridiculous QB pissing match freakingeek, and DecepticonShawn2 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mercalius Posted November 1 Popular Post Report Share Posted November 1 (edited) Are we really digging and cherry picking absolutely anything to desperately try to explain why a rookie in his first game ever came in and, not only outplayed, but blew the brakes off the offensive production of an 11 year vet that’s (supposedly) head and shoulders above him? The yardage was close in home games! The points were similar! Ignore the TD/Int ratio! Forget the fact that Levis was directly responsible for all 28 points. 21 of which came from outside the redzone. Ignore the fact that Deandre Hopkins went Godzilla mode when he’d been sorta invisible 6 games prior. Ignore NWI turning into Tyreek Hill for his best highlight since he’s been a Titan. Tannehill was just as good…at home games….under a blood moon….if you don’t count *throwing* touchdowns….and blur your eyes…after drinking 14 beers. Just as good! Edited November 1 by Mercalius IsntLifeFunny, Dinx81, Jamalisms, and 4 others 5 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rns90 Posted November 1 Report Share Posted November 1 I'm seriously trying to figure out how people are finding bias in a simple fact that they have played the more difficult defenses/DL on the road. OILERMAN 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryBoats Posted November 1 Report Share Posted November 1 Just now, rns90 said: I'm seriously trying to figure out how people are finding bias in a simple fact that they have played the more difficult defenses/DL on the road. Whatever asshole planned our schedule deserves to die. rns90 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
big2033 Posted November 1 Report Share Posted November 1 (edited) 2 minutes ago, rns90 said: I'm seriously trying to figure out how people are finding bias in a simple fact that they have played the more difficult defenses/DL on the road. Quote So far, the Titans offense has been either really good or really bad depending on if they are in Nashville or on the road (and I include London as it was a neutral site). Despite the false narrative that it's all QB related..... It's right in front of your face. Rns you're smarter than this to not see what's going on. There's way too much going on to saddle a home/away record or even defensive differences on one game with a new player. But for some reason people are trying because they can't fathom Levis potentially playing better. They can't even wait a couple of weeks. Edited November 1 by big2033 Number9 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
big2033 Posted November 1 Report Share Posted November 1 5 minutes ago, TerryBoats said: Tannehill had more yards, yards per attempt, and higher completion % in both of his home games than Levis did. He didn't throw 4 TDs, but his efficiency and effectiveness were the primary drivers behind the offensive success. Most, as in nearly all games are not going to feature the QB scoring by throwing a bunch of 40+ yard bombs. If Levis accomplishes that again, than he's an amazing exception to the rule and I digress. But it's very likely that defenses are going to take that away and force him to win in different ways, and he's going to struggle. And neither I nor Bud want to say "I told you so" because the success of a young franchise QB is more important than a ridiculous QB pissing match 4 minutes ago, Mercalius said: Are we really digging and cherry picking absolutely anything to desperately try to explain why a rookie in his first game ever came in and, not only outplayed, but blew the brakes off the offensive production of an 11 year vet that’s (supposedly) head and shoulders above him? The yardage was close in home games! The points were similar! Ignore the TD/Int ratio! Forget the fact that Levis was directly responsible for all 28 points. 21 of which came from outside the redzone. Ignore the fact that Deandre Hopkins went Godzilla mode when he’d been sorta invisible 6 games prior. Ignore NWI turning into Tyreek Hill for his best highlight since he’s been a Titan. Tannehill was just as good…at home games….under a blood moon….if you don’t count *throwing* touchdowns….and blur your eyes…after drinking 14 beers. Just as good! This. Stop cherry-picking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rns90 Posted November 1 Report Share Posted November 1 2 minutes ago, big2033 said: It's right in front of your face. Rns you're smarter than this to not see what's going on. There's way too much going on to saddle a home/away record or even defensive differences on one game with a new player. But for some reason people are trying because they can't fathom Levis potentially playing better. They can't even wait a couple of weeks. Is he actually wrong though? It's not really a defense of Tannehill, well at least not for me. Pointing out that they put up more points at home vs worse defense while running a similar offensive system (PA bombs etc) isn't really anything that most people shouldn't figure out at some point. It's not even any shot on Levis. This is basic stuff. And not really any defense of Tannehill if you really think about it. FireInTheHole, and TerryBoats 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
big2033 Posted November 1 Report Share Posted November 1 (edited) 13 minutes ago, rns90 said: Is he actually wrong though? It's not really a defense of Tannehill, well at least not for me. Pointing out that they put up more points at home vs worse defense while running a similar offensive system (PA bombs etc) isn't really anything that most people shouldn't figure out at some point. It's not even any shot on Levis. This is basic stuff. And not really any defense of Tannehill if you really think about it. Our sample size is three fucking games. It's ridiculous. And don't tell me the way we scored was the same, but then tell me about fucking context. You want to make these broad comparisons when the most important position in the game was different. With a different skillset. Whether it lasts ... who knows. But to talk about context then go to the most surface-level stat you can find as all types of hypocritical. It just reeks of desperation. Edited November 1 by big2033 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
freakingeek Posted November 1 Report Share Posted November 1 25 minutes ago, rns90 said: I'm seriously trying to figure out how people are finding bias in a simple fact that they have played the more difficult defenses/DL on the road. we've played some of the best in the league. rns90 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rns90 Posted November 1 Report Share Posted November 1 2 minutes ago, freakingeek said: we've played some of the best in the league. Right so pointing this basic fact out shouldn't really be that much of a big deal. And highlighting that our LT's suck at pass blocking and will continue to is just a basic fact. It's basically why they guys will continue to have success/failure based on matchups, especially in road vs home and just generally explaining a weakness /fault of how this team was put together (this point has been talked alot about too). TerryBoats, and freakingeek 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
big2033 Posted November 1 Report Share Posted November 1 So @rns90 @BudsOilers and @TerryBoats if Levis sucks at Pittsburgh I guess it's not on him it's just how we perform on the road right? Regardless of how he does i guess at the base level, a rookie is playing the same as a 35-year old vet. I just want to make sure you guys are on the record. Mythos27 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post rns90 Posted November 1 Popular Post Report Share Posted November 1 (edited) 2 minutes ago, big2033 said: So @rns90 @BudsOilers and @TerryBoats if Levis sucks at Pittsburgh I guess it's not on him it's just how we perform on the road right? Regardless of how he does i guess at the base level, a rookie is playing the same as a 35-year old vet. I just want to make sure you guys are on the record. No, read closely. If he stinks, it'll be a big part because they can't pass protect against Watt. And if he succeds despite their "efforts" at LT then he will be given credit for overcoming Dillard. Oh if he stinks and misses open WR, people will point that out too. You see bias, when there isn't any. Edited November 1 by rns90 FireInTheHole, WG53, OILERMAN, and 2 others 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryBoats Posted November 1 Report Share Posted November 1 Just now, big2033 said: So @rns90 @BudsOilers and @TerryBoats if Levis sucks at Pittsburgh I guess it's not on him it's just how we perform on the road right? Regardless of how he does i guess at the base level, a rookie is playing the same as a 35-year old vet. I just want to make sure you guys are on the record. I don't give a fuck about Tannehill. The guy can take his pilot license and his hot wife and fly to the fucking moon for all I care. Dude, I made a thread before the game about how we should commit to Levis and hire his former coach. I made a thread after about how we should protect him from this shitty ass coaching staff and OL so it doesn't interfere with his development. I clearly like the guy, and if he struggles, I won't conclude that he magically sucks overnight. That there were certain circumstances and conditions which led to that happening, that we are discussing right now. Mythos27, and rns90 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
big2033 Posted November 1 Report Share Posted November 1 2 minutes ago, rns90 said: No, read closely. If he stinks, it'll be a big part because they can't pass protect against Watt. And if he succeds despite their "efforts" at LT then he will be given credit for overcoming Dillard. Oh if he stinks and misses open WR, people will point that out too. You see bias, when there isn't any. No .... the OP said the offense is the same. If you want to add context now, you have to add context to the differences in the way the QBs played. But you guys don't want to do that. You want to settle it down to it's the road defense. So ... I guess it's 100% not on him just like it's not on Tannehill. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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