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This topic really needs a separate thread to track the incidents given the increasing anti Jewish hate happening in the US and around the world. 
 

Silence is complicity and I’m not going to just sweep this stuff under the rug. I also condemn any kind of vitriol or violence toward peaceful Muslims. 
 

 

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And on the flip side, Jews tend to have something of a PTSD about that persecution. I mean, 2000 years of persecution will do that to a people…   Anyway, if people want to understand why Isr

It’s easy to paint Israel as a villain, but there are basically no good guys in the Middle East. It’s all shades of grey instead of black and white and even those shades are inherently subjective.

Yes, people are really fucking stupid. If that isn't apparent then I don't know what to say. In the US we love to hate. A whole country of haters looking for something to hate or unify around. 

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23 minutes ago, tgo said:

 

Strictly speaking, anti-Zionism and antisemitism are not the same thing. Someone can decide that the nation of Israel is a negative influence and shouldn’t exist without hating Jews in general. Not that a lot of anti-Zionists don’t also hate Jews, but it’s not inherently the same. And plenty of Jews living in America believe in assimilation rather than Zionism (thus why they don’t live in Israel).
 

On the flip side, you can find plenty of antisemites who are actually Zionists. Plenty of Christian fundamentalists hate Jews, but they still want Israel to exist so that their biblical Armageddon can happen.

 

Basically, it’s complicated…

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49 minutes ago, Starkiller said:

Strictly speaking, anti-Zionism and antisemitism are not the same thing. Someone can decide that the nation of Israel is a negative influence and shouldn’t exist without hating Jews in general. Not that a lot of anti-Zionists don’t also hate Jews, but it’s not inherently the same. And plenty of Jews living in America believe in assimilation rather than Zionism (thus why they don’t live in Israel).
 

On the flip side, you can find plenty of antisemites who are actually Zionists. Plenty of Christian fundamentalists hate Jews, but they still want Israel to exist so that their biblical Armageddon can happen.

 

Basically, it’s complicated…

 

That one is quite tricky. It's definitely distinct and many would not confuse the two, especially in the current climate of frustrations surrounding Israel, in particular, but it can easily be used a dog whistle for thinly-veiled anti-Semitism.

 

The specific circumstances of use would need assessed and people will inevitably come to different conclusions. The best route for any person of conscience is to simply find another way to express their opinion so as not to even give the appearance of opting into anti-semitism.

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3 hours ago, Jamalisms said:

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Correction issued - the chant was misinterpreted. The claim was that they were chanting “we want Jewish genocide.” They were in fact apparently chanting “we charge you with genocide”

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4 hours ago, Jamalisms said:

@tgo, have you or personal contacts been seeing a rise in overt racism like this or is it not yet being seen outside of social media?


It doesn’t seem to be being reported on yet by mainstream media sources from what I’m seeing other than cursory mentions on tv programs - which makes some sense because progressives just don’t seem to want to hear it.
 

 


The NYT instead are pushing opinion pieces blaming Jews for “spewing anti Palestinian hate” and Friedman’s recent piece basically blaming “Zionism”and Netanyahu for the terror perpetrated by Hamas (not gonna link the articles). The biases seem overtly clear to me and I hate that domestically the left (my side) is ceding the moral high ground on this topic to the right wing. 
 

Musk’s platform has been accused in recent days of pushing anti semitic content though, which is also readily apparent. 

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5 hours ago, Starkiller said:

Strictly speaking, anti-Zionism and antisemitism are not the same thing. Someone can decide that the nation of Israel is a negative influence and shouldn’t exist without hating Jews in general. Not that a lot of anti-Zionists don’t also hate Jews, but it’s not inherently the same. And plenty of Jews living in America believe in assimilation rather than Zionism (thus why they don’t live in Israel).
 

On the flip side, you can find plenty of antisemites who are actually Zionists. Plenty of Christian fundamentalists hate Jews, but they still want Israel to exist so that their biblical Armageddon can happen.

 

Basically, it’s complicated…


An alternative take: 

 

I’m not sure I agree that it is this cut and dry by any means, but in response to your point -

 

How can one say “the State of Israel should not exist” and not be anti-semitic by definition? I’m confused by that notion. I think underlying ill will toward Jews is implicit in that line of reasoning. Jews very clearly have the purest non biblical historical claim over much of that plot of land - it is in fact the homeland of their ancestors predating the Arab incursion into the territory. It was rightfully restored to them by force as part of the new post-WWII world order. To me, it's very akin to the Russians saying that the State of Ukraine should not exist, or doesn't exist when in fact the Kyivian Rus were the predecessor conquerors of the Steppe lands to the imperial Muscovite faction. Regardless, where a Democracy can be forged out of an autocracy - that is by default always the morally superior state of human governance in my mind.
 

I believe ideally Kurds should have their own state too though btw, as well as Palestinians in the West Bank governed by their own Democratic Authority so that Jerusalem can be “shared” by both faiths. 

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39 minutes ago, tgo said:


An alternative take: 

 

I’m not sure I agree that it is this cut and dry by any means, but in response to your point -

 

How can one say “the State of Israel should not exist” and not be anti-semitic by definition? I’m confused by that notion. I think underlying ill will toward Jews is implicit in that line of reasoning. Jews very clearly have the purest non biblical historical claim over much of that plot of land - it is in fact the homeland of their ancestors predating the Arab incursion into the territory. It was rightfully restored to them by force as part of the new post-WWII world order.

I completely disagree with that. Religion doesn't even have to come into the equation when discussing Israel's history. Although I agree the Jewish people deserve somewhere free from the persecution they faced in Europe, it's not anti-semitic to say that Palestinians were woefully mistreated in establishing that state. People who say Israel shouldn't exist at all maybe go too far, but it isn't much different to saying Palestine shouldn't exist on the other side. the answer is establishing Palestine as a state based on pre 1967 borders, removing all Israeli settlements in the West Bank, completely freeing Gaza of all blockades and barriers and shutting down Hamas' military wing, restoring a Palestinian legislative body and finally letting the people vote out Hamas and any party which have violent ambitions. Sure it won't resolve all the issues for quite some time, but I think that's how you go about building peace in the region long-term

 

It's also very very generous to call Israel in it's current form a democracy. They have one check against complete government authoritarian control - the supreme court - and the government are attempting to gain control over that too. Netanyahu is doing everything he can to establish a dictatorship

 

Maniacal far right wing like Putin and Netanyahu must be stopped, and the people they reside over and that their military oppress must be freed. It's the biggest threat to peace

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