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How bad is the pass blocking... really?


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12 hours ago, Mythos27 said:

Forget the stats. Just watch the tape and see how quickly guys get beat. Watch how pathetic they are dealing with stunts and games up front. I watch a lot of NFL football. It doesn't look like we do ok there OL. If anything the metrics don't capture just how bad we are up front. 

Two bads don't  make a good...OL TRAIN WRECK...QB ...SCARECROW..

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Dillard is your daily reminder that in fact, things CAN always get worse and often do.

If you bitch much more you are going to grow tits.

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3 minutes ago, LOPEZ said:

Two bads don't  make a good...OL TRAIN WRECK...QB ...SCARECROW..

His lack of mobility certainly doesn't help but Levis is very mobile and we're all still worried about him having to stand behind this line for a reason.

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On 10/24/2023 at 5:20 PM, titanruss said:

For clarity on the thread... it wasn't posted to say the OLine pass blocking is "fine" - just that several stats are showing it's basically the same since 2019 for pressures... and that the QB is releasing the ball almost exactly the same as far as time to throw.

 

 

 

The problem with stat gathering like this, is that you are also capturing but not accounting for what the team is doing to try to avoid these things.  If Titans try to drop into a more pro typical passing attack, these stats would blow up.  You are capturing TE/RB help with the line deficiency, which leads to less targets in play which leads to more throws into dangerous cover.   You are also seeing that with all this extra help in play, they are basically giving Tannehill the same (actually slightly less) amount of time that a good Offensive line would naturally grant you.  

 

Pressure stats are fine, but they always miss "type of pressure" and "numbers of defensive players involved".  At the end of the day most teams that are in a competitive game get around the same time to pressure as an average.  However, if you are watching a game where a team is getting the same pressure with 4 as the other team is getting with 6 it is going to tend to be a blow out.  Even if the time to pressure is identical.  Type of pressure is important when looking at what a QB does well.  Tannehill is actually a bit more susceptible to up the middle pressure as he tends to delay a second too long to flush the pocket.   Tannehill's strength (although it seems to be in the decline) is that he gives the play time to develop.  This is a WR friendly style of QB play.  WITH THIS STYLE OF PLAY you must give him an average to slightly above average line.  

 

3rd and 6 has been a death sentence for this team for going on 2 years now, that isn't how it is on MOST football teams.  In a 3rd and long play your QB HAS to assume that his line will step up and give average time for play to develop.  YOU DO NOT want a QB that is timing each 3rd and long play off of his line getting beat.   

 

I'm a big Tannehill fan, his toughness is unquestionable.  But, when Ran got Levis, I preferred moving on from Tannehill.  I'm not a fan of hedging your bet.  Either stay with Henry and Tannehill and use those picks to give them the best chance of winning, or go all in with a new QB/RB and start the next chapter of the franchise.  

 

Honestly, I would rather see Tannehill on a team with a decent Line and get a chance to see the guy perform one more time in an environment that leans into his playstyle.  Knowing what you have with Tannehill and then not addressing the line accordingly is criminal.

 

 

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Now to interject actual facts into this discussion.

 

Pressure stats from PFF w/Tannehill by year.....

 

2019 - 31.1% (10 of 38) 

2020 - 30.8% (16 of 39)

2021 - 34.4% (23 of 40)

2022 - 36.1% (31 of 36)

2023 - 38.6% (27 of 36)

 

Pressure from LT by Year:

2019 - 10.8% (3 of 38)

2020 - 26.7% (30 of 39)

2021 - 23% (15 of 39)

2022 - 31.9% (36 of 37)

2023 - 41.9 % (35 of 35)

 

Pressure assigned to the QB (for those who claim the QB for holding it too long)

2019 - 12.7% (23 of 38)

2020 - 6.8% (36 of 39)

2021 - 3.8% (39 of 39)

2022 - 6.7% (33 of 37)

2023 - 9.7 % (23 of 35)

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1 hour ago, BudsOilers said:

Now to interject actual facts into this discussion.

 

Pressure stats from PFF w/Tannehill by year.....

 

2019 - 31.1% (10 of 38) 

2020 - 30.8% (16 of 39)

2021 - 34.4% (23 of 40)

2022 - 36.1% (31 of 36)

2023 - 38.6% (27 of 36)

 

Pressure from LT by Year:

2019 - 10.8% (3 of 38)

2020 - 26.7% (30 of 39)

2021 - 23% (15 of 39)

2022 - 31.9% (36 of 37)

2023 - 41.9 % (35 of 35)

 

Pressure assigned to the QB (for those who claim the QB for holding it too long)

2019 - 12.7% (23 of 38)

2020 - 6.8% (36 of 39)

2021 - 3.8% (39 of 39)

2022 - 6.7% (33 of 37)

2023 - 9.7 % (23 of 35)

They're seriously worse than last year?  Including at LT?  Fuckkk.

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42 minutes ago, TerryBoats said:

They're seriously worse than last year?  Including at LT?  Fuckkk.

They were better prior to the Ravens game overall but LT play absolutely has been worse.  What's frightening is that NPF looked worse than Dillard in pass protection.

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Bummmmp.

 

OLine looked real solid this week against a top defense. Decent run blocking. The QB was well protected and had time to throw. 
 

Hubbard even went down and the team only took 2 sacks. One of the sacks was taken intentionally as well. 
 

Pitt is going to be a test as tough as any DL we have faced all year. 
 

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3 hours ago, titanruss said:

Bummmmp.

 

OLine looked real solid this week against a top defense. Decent run blocking. The QB was well protected and had time to throw. 
 

Hubbard even went down and the team only took 2 sacks. One of the sacks was taken intentionally as well. 
 

Pitt is going to be a test as tough as any DL we have faced all year. 
 

Levis was pressured over 40% of the time. His where the fuck did it go release definitely helps hide that when watching the tape though. As soon as he picks a target the ball is gone, dude hardly has a windup. 

 

Edit: he lets it lose so fast it actually looks a lot faster than his pump/shimmy thing he does. Could lead to defenders not falling for it. 

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7 hours ago, Callidus said:

Levis was pressured over 40% of the time. His where the fuck did it go release definitely helps hide that when watching the tape though. As soon as he picks a target the ball is gone, dude hardly has a windup. 

 

Edit: he lets it lose so fast it actually looks a lot faster than his pump/shimmy thing he does. Could lead to defenders not falling for it. 


The falcons have been pressuring as much or more than anyone in the league all season. I think they were 3rd for pressures and similar for hits. 
 

 

Levis was definitely the difference... or rather, the last QB made the oline worse. 

 

 

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