IrishTitansFan Posted November 20 Report Share Posted November 20 5 minutes ago, Justafan said: I'm sorry, I know you're a smart guy, and I'm not trying to be disrespectful, but this is a laughable take. It might be a right-wing government, but it was democratically elected and elected just last year. Some Palestinians are victims. But generalizing and saying all Palestinians are victims the way you are trying to paint them is an absolute disconnect with reality. You pretend like in 2002, that the Palestinians wanted peace and the Israelis were holding up the deal. In reality, Israel had already agreed to the deal, and Palestinian partisans murdered both Israeli citizens and their political opposition in Gaza to undermine the peace talks. In 2006 a majority of Palestenians voted in Hamas, knowing full well what their intentions were. Relations have worsened over time, so to pretend like it's some tiny minority that supports Hamas and what they are doing/have done is simply false. Trying to paint Israel as perpetrators of genocide is absolute nonsense. Netanyahu is doing everything in his power to destroy Israel’s democracy. He is attempting to dissolve the Supreme Court which is the only real check and balance in the country. He has already introduced laws to prohibit Arab political parties and his elections are characterised by voter intimidation against certain groups. He’s a fascist. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/world/netanyahus-judicial-overhaul-faces-first-legal-challenge-in-israeli-supreme-court Over 70% of Palestinians wanted and were prepared for peace yes. Most still prefer a peaceful two state solution across the two territories, about as many as Israelis. You can look it up yourself Netanyahu is absolutely a genocidal maniac who won’t stop until all the Arabs are in Jordan or dead if he can help it, that way he can happily avenge his brother and have Israel in his image with Palestine a memory Justafan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted November 20 Report Share Posted November 20 6 minutes ago, IrishTitansFan said: Netanyahu is doing everything in his power to destroy Israel’s democracy. He is attempting to dissolve the Supreme Court which is the only real check and balance in the country. He has already introduced laws to prohibit Arab political parties and his elections are characterised by voter intimidation against certain groups. He’s a fascist. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/world/netanyahus-judicial-overhaul-faces-first-legal-challenge-in-israeli-supreme-court Over 70% of Palestinians wanted and were prepared for peace yes. Most still prefer a peaceful two state solution across the two territories, about as many as Israelis. You can look it up yourself Netanyahu is absolutely a genocidal maniac who won’t stop until all the Arabs are in Jordan or dead if he can help it, that way he can happily avenge his brother and have Israel in his image with Palestine a memory I'm sorry, but none of this is true. You can't possibly say 70% of Palestenians want a two-state solution. According to this, 75% want Israel to be ANNIHALATED, and only 17% would support a two-state solution. https://www.jns.org/what-do-the-palestinians-want/#:~:text=Likewise%2C 75% of Palestinians seek,only 5.4% of Palestinians support. According to Wikipedia, the last polling done by the US State Department, over 60% of Palestinians rejected a two-state solution. Your claims that 70% are just innocent bystanders who want peace and 15% are hamas holding them hostage does not hold with reality. IT IS FANTASY. Netanyahu is a politician who has been legally elected multiple times. Yes, he leads an authoritarian government, but he was elected there, and he's far from a "genocidal maniac". This entire post is insulting and hyperbole. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishTitansFan Posted November 20 Report Share Posted November 20 8 minutes ago, Justafan said: I'm sorry, but none of this is true. You can't possibly say 70% of Palestenians want a two-state solution. According to this, 75% want Israel to be ANNIHALATED, and only 17% would support a two-state solution. https://www.jns.org/what-do-the-palestinians-want/#:~:text=Likewise%2C 75% of Palestinians seek,only 5.4% of Palestinians support. According to Wikipedia, the last polling done by the US State Department, over 60% of Palestinians rejected a two-state solution. Your claims that 70% are just innocent bystanders who want peace and 15% are hamas holding them hostage does not hold with reality. IT IS FANTASY. Netanyahu is a politician who has been legally elected multiple times. Yes, he leads an authoritarian government, but he was elected there, and he's far from a "genocidal maniac". This entire post is insulting and hyperbole. Apologies that should’ve said by 2013*. my bad. Either way, the support for a two state solution amongst both Israelis and Palestinians generally ebbs and flows depending on the state of the conflict. This has always been the case, that’s why I said they’d all pretty quickly back it if it was reasonable for both and realistic LOL at your source in your link, you can’t possibly post that as a realistic source And yeah, I’m sure Palestinian support for peace is eroding quickly given that their oppressor is STILL breaking war crimes on a daily basis and breaking every international law in the book. They’d still likely overwhelmingly back a peaceful solution if they weren’t treated like sewer rats and Israel stopped murdering their kids. This is pretty obvious from the trends of the past Do you way to give me a list of dictators who started off being legally elected? There’s a pretty famous one! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted November 20 Report Share Posted November 20 1 minute ago, IrishTitansFan said: Apologies that should’ve said by 2013*. my bad. Either way, the support for a two state solution amongst both Israelis and Palestinians generally ebbs and flows depending on the state of the conflict. This has always been the case, that’s why I said they’d all pretty quickly back it if it was reasonable for both and realistic LOL at your source in your link, you can’t possibly post that as a realistic source And yeah, I’m sure Palestinian support for peace is eroding quickly given that their oppressor is STILL breaking war crimes on a daily basis and breaking every international law in the book. They’d still likely overwhelmingly back a peaceful solution if they weren’t treated like sewer rats and Israel stopped murdering their kids. This is pretty obvious from the trends of the past Do you way to give me a list of dictators who started off being legally elected? There’s a pretty famous one! I'm now only allowed to have approved sources? By whose standards? Let me guess, CNN and Al Jazeera polls are fine, but Fox News and anything that says jew on it is off limits as non-credible? Those polls were from 2021. Show me the 2013 one so I can tell you if it's credible or not! You can't call a guy who just won an election last year a dictator. Maybe he will become one, but he's not one now. If you want to sling insults and speak in falsehoods to try and prove a point, find someone else to go back and forth with. What you are saying about him IS NOT TRUE. HE IS NOT A FASCIST, though he's been called one, and HE IS NOT A DICTATOR. If you can't accept reality... that's on you, man, but you should probably reexamine the lens through which you see things if you know that's not reality but refuse to back off that position anyways just because you don't like him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishTitansFan Posted November 20 Report Share Posted November 20 3 minutes ago, Justafan said: I'm now only allowed to have approved sources? By whose standards? Let me guess, CNN and Al Jazeera polls are fine, but Fox News and anything that says jew on it is off limits as non-credible? Those polls were from 2021. Show me the 2013 one so I can tell you if it's credible or not! You can't call a guy who just won an election last year a dictator. Maybe he will become one, but he's not one now. If you want to sling insults and speak in falsehoods to try and prove a point, find someone else to go back and forth with. What you are saying about him IS NOT TRUE. HE IS NOT A FASCIST, though he's been called one, and HE IS NOT A DICTATOR. If you can't accept reality... that's on you, man, but you should probably reexamine the lens through which you see things if you know that's not reality but refuse to back off that position anyways just because you don't like him. Uhhh yeah it’s not a good source. Just read the article and the wording, it’s totally ridiculous. Unless you agree that the US are complicit? read what I posted and relax. I said he is doing his best to become a dictator, which he is if you follow the trends. He’s basically a textbook fascist too Hopefully the people of Israel are successful in removing him as so many are keen to do after he was partly responsible for the gruesome killing of so many innocent Israeli citizens Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Earl Posted November 20 Report Share Posted November 20 33 minutes ago, IrishTitansFan said: Uhhh yeah it’s not a good source. Just read the article and the wording, it’s totally ridiculous. Unless you agree that the US are complicit? read what I posted and relax. I said he is doing his best to become a dictator, which he is if you follow the trends. He’s basically a textbook fascist too Hopefully the people of Israel are successful in removing him as so many are keen to do after he was partly responsible for the gruesome killing of so many innocent Israeli citizens What's wrong with the source? It came from the Arab World for Research and Development. https://www.awrad.org/files/server/polls/polls2023/Public Opinion Poll - Gaza War 2023 - Tables of Results.pdf Justafan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted November 20 Report Share Posted November 20 25 minutes ago, Little Earl said: What's wrong with the source? It came from the Arab World for Research and Development. https://www.awrad.org/files/server/polls/polls2023/Public Opinion Poll - Gaza War 2023 - Tables of Results.pdf The rhetoric is over the top but the numbers are accurate and I 100% believe them. People in America are sheltered and its difficult to understand how terrorist organizations think because their values are incompatible with our own. We would work for peace because we want a better future for our children so we assume other people think the same way. They don't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishTitansFan Posted November 20 Report Share Posted November 20 37 minutes ago, Little Earl said: What's wrong with the source? It came from the Arab World for Research and Development. https://www.awrad.org/files/server/polls/polls2023/Public Opinion Poll - Gaza War 2023 - Tables of Results.pdf I didn’t even look further into it because the article was so ridiculous but thanks for posting. Those people are severely misguided but I highly doubt you get very accurate readings from folks as their people are slaughtered around them. For instance, I bet Israelis would be more rational now than if you polled them on October 8th As I was saying, I believe both sides would rally behind a peaceful solution if it was feasible Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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IsntLifeFunny Posted November 20 Report Share Posted November 20 58 minutes ago, tgo said: Trumpers are in the thread saying he's going to get fired for these words lol. Fucking idiots. Biden put this guy into this post. tgo, and Justafan 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted November 20 Report Share Posted November 20 2 hours ago, IrishTitansFan said: I didn’t even look further into it because the article was so ridiculous but thanks for posting. Those people are severely misguided but I highly doubt you get very accurate readings from folks as their people are slaughtered around them. For instance, I bet Israelis would be more rational now than if you polled them on October 8th As I was saying, I believe both sides would rally behind a peaceful solution if it was feasible The poll was from 2021. The State Department polling was from 2020. I'm still waiting to see your 2013 poll. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted November 20 Report Share Posted November 20 1 hour ago, tgo said: 100% right. Great post @tgo tgo 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishTitansFan Posted November 21 Report Share Posted November 21 7 hours ago, Justafan said: The poll was from 2021. The State Department polling was from 2020. I'm still waiting to see your 2013 poll. Unless October 7th happened in 2021 then no it wasn’t http://www.gallup.com/poll/161456/israelis-palestinians-pro-peace-process-not-hopeful.aspx With how wildly these results fluctuate it doesn’t seem like any of them are very reliable because they likely are too emotional depending on the time of polling Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted November 21 Report Share Posted November 21 5 hours ago, IrishTitansFan said: Unless October 7th happened in 2021 then no it wasn’t http://www.gallup.com/poll/161456/israelis-palestinians-pro-peace-process-not-hopeful.aspx With how wildly these results fluctuate it doesn’t seem like any of them are very reliable because they likely are too emotional depending on the time of polling https://pcpsr.org/en/node/912 Too many polls. That one was from the article, this is one of the ones cited on the Wikipedia page. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli–Palestinian_conflict There are more polls and they are consistent. Guess what Palestenians favor. I had to find your 2013 poll on my own since you can't link it so anyone can even say if it's credible or not. I see why you didn't want to post it now... https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/new-palestinian-poll-shows-hardline-views-some-pragmatism-too "But now, a clear majority (60% overall, including 55% in the West Bank and 68% in Gaza) say that the five-year goal "should be to work toward reclaiming all of historic Palestine, from the river to the sea."" There are a ton more polls out there but I'm not wasting any more time on this. They are consistent in what they say. You already knew this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishTitansFan Posted November 21 Report Share Posted November 21 16 minutes ago, Justafan said: https://pcpsr.org/en/node/912 Too many polls. That one was from the article, this is one of the ones cited on the Wikipedia page. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli–Palestinian_conflict There are more polls and they are consistent. Guess what Palestenians favor. I had to find your 2013 poll on my own since you can't link it so anyone can even say if it's credible or not. I see why you didn't want to post it now... https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/new-palestinian-poll-shows-hardline-views-some-pragmatism-too "But now, a clear majority (60% overall, including 55% in the West Bank and 68% in Gaza) say that the five-year goal "should be to work toward reclaiming all of historic Palestine, from the river to the sea."" There are a ton more polls out there but I'm not wasting any more time on this. They are consistent in what they say. You already knew this. I just did link it! Here is the table from the article seeing as you decided not to read it They’re definitely not consistent and vary wildly, but going back 50 years you can make a pretty good assessment that the good people on all sides would love a peaceful resolution Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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