oldschool Posted October 4 Report Share Posted October 4 2 minutes ago, tgo said: I think the GOP's national message is pretty resounding for all to see, including swing district voters: "We Can't Govern" I agree but you and I are Moderate democrats left of center. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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IsntLifeFunny Posted October 4 Report Share Posted October 4 15 minutes ago, tgo said: These are the margins where the Dems lose the narrative and have a tough time. They need to unify and forcefully let the message be very simple and clear: Republicans are responsible for their own house. oldschool, and tgo 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgo Posted October 4 Author Report Share Posted October 4 Omar, chef, and MadMax 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctm Posted October 4 Report Share Posted October 4 Republican problems governing the House aren't going away just because they dumped McCarthy. To be continued.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted October 4 Report Share Posted October 4 My personal opinion and guess is that the Republican speaker who comes next will be less interested in governing because it's a lost cause and they'll be far more interested in just playing political games and coordinating stunts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctm Posted October 4 Report Share Posted October 4 47 minutes ago, Jamalisms said: My personal opinion and guess is that the Republican speaker who comes next will be less interested in governing because it's a lost cause and they'll be far more interested in just playing political games and coordinating stunts. Funding for the government runs out mid November. He will have to do something or get blamed for the shutdown. The most immediate issue is Ukraine. OILERMAN, rns90, and reo 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted October 4 Report Share Posted October 4 58 minutes ago, Jamalisms said: My personal opinion and guess is that the Republican speaker who comes next will be less interested in governing because it's a lost cause and they'll be far more interested in just playing political games and coordinating stunts. It was always leading to this. The back drop was the Democrats voting for McCarthy to be the Speaker. That's the insanity we are dealing with. 10 minutes ago, ctm said: Funding for the government runs out mid November. He will have to do something or get blamed for the shutdown. The most immediate issue is Ukraine. The shutdown is coming for sure. It isn't an if. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted October 4 Report Share Posted October 4 25 minutes ago, ctm said: Funding for the government runs out mid November. He will have to do something or get blamed for the shutdown. The most immediate issue is Ukraine. The only upside is that Republicans in marginally competitive districts know that will get blamed for a shutdown by the people they need to convince to win elections. If Democrats in the Senate can pass a bipartisan budget and the House won’t go along then it’s only going to hurt them next November. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted October 4 Report Share Posted October 4 18 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said: The shutdown is coming for sure. It isn't an if. Not necessarily. It gains them nothing if they get the blame for a shutdown and have to cave on a deal anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
begooode Posted October 4 Report Share Posted October 4 (edited) A government shutdown just before the holiday season, especially if it affects travel, is about as unpopular as is imaginable. Pelosi wasn’t a slam dunk winner of the speakership and had to navigate the squad’s progressive demands (don’t hear much about them anymore) with a narrow margin of Dems. Didn’t see any of this kind of crazy shit while generating quite a bit of legislation during the term. The petty, butthurt of kicking senior Dems from offices is akin to yelling at the wrong person because the guy who caused the problem dgaf. But hey, nice total war flex for your next fundraiser, losers. Edited October 4 by begooode Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted October 4 Report Share Posted October 4 2 minutes ago, Starkiller said: Not necessarily. It gains them nothing if they get the blame for a shutdown and have to cave on a deal anyway. It's happening. They have no other plays. Maybe it doesn't happen, but I think it will and don't see a y other option than the next speaker cowtowing to the idiots. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted October 4 Report Share Posted October 4 1 minute ago, begooode said: ... hey, nice total war flex for your next fundraiser, losers. I guess where I'm at is that I think people are underestimating just how many Republicans in Congress pretty much only care about this and have no interest in governance. You can say that that will impact elections, and I'm sure it'll have some effect, but I doubt it will be as dramatic as it should be and the end result is that I don't think it's a guarantee we stay above what people would suggest as the bare minimum of governance required. There's a lot of risk here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
begooode Posted October 4 Report Share Posted October 4 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Jamalisms said: I guess where I'm at is that I think people are underestimating just how many Republicans in Congress pretty much only care about this and have no interest in governance. You can say that that will impact elections, and I'm sure it'll have some effect, but I doubt it will be as dramatic as it should be and the end result is that I don't think it's a guarantee we stay above what people would suggest as the bare minimum of governance required. There's a lot of risk here. Agree, while adding that centrist repubs who want to actually do their jobs are shocked this unprecedented event of scalping their own speaker happened to them. Their frustration is palpable but I’m unconvinced that they know how to regain control collectively. I think the Dems did the right thing to help — let them hit rock bottom. Now what do the supposed gop house leaders do? How do they do it and survive primaries against dgaf bomb throwers and unaccountable media grifters. Edited October 4 by begooode Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted October 4 Report Share Posted October 4 2 minutes ago, begooode said: centrist repubs Typo? MadMax, and ctm 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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