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My money is on Scalise. He's been in leadership for years and was never a McCarthy guy. He's already shoring up support. 

 

Also how big of a bitch is McCarthy to blame democrats on the way out? He gave the extremists within his own conference the vehicle to oust him and then refused to negotiate at all to peel away a few Dem votes to put them down. This is of his own making. Media already doing their thing too. Headline just now on CNN

 

"8 Republicans join Democrats to oust McCarthy"

 

Ridiculous headline that makes it seem the dems led the effort.

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12 minutes ago, oldschool said:

My money is on Scalise. He's been in leadership for years and was never a McCarthy guy. He's already shoring up support. 

 

Also how big of a bitch is McCarthy to bale democrats on the way out? He gave the extremist within his own conference the vehicle to oust him and then refused to negotiate at all to peel away a few Dem votes to put them down. This is of his own making. Media already doing their thing too. Headline just now on CNN

 

"8 Republicans join Democrats to oust McCarthy"

 

Ridiculous headline that makes it seem the dems led the effort.

I've been thinking about this and what actually took place. Once the call was made to vacate the chair the Dems were simply voting against McCarthy to not become the Speaker once again. They weren't voting to remove him really. His caucas had already done that. 

 

In real terms the Dems voted him out, and it will be stated as such, but in practicality and substance once the vote was brought to the floor it would have been Democrats voting to make not keep McCarthy as the Speaker of the House. 

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3 minutes ago, tgo said:

 

I think they were just bigger offices basically as honorary gestures normally reserved for leadership.

 Pelosi gave Hastert a larger office when she became speaker.  McHenry's move is a good way to trash good will that republicans will eventually need. 

 

Pelosi got until today to get out and she's in California. Hoyer got kicked out as well.

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20 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said:

I've been thinking about this and what actually took place. Once the call was made to vacate the chair the Dems were simply voting against McCarthy to not become the Speaker once again. They weren't voting to remove him really. His caucas had already done that. 

 

In real terms the Dems voted him out, and it will be stated as such, but in practicality and substance once the vote was brought to the floor it would have been Democrats voting to make not keep McCarthy as the Speaker of the House. 

 

Yes. Main Dem talking point is that its not the dem's responsibility to elect the leader of the majority but in technical terms the Speaker is the leader of the house. The majority also has a majority leader. I'm sure the GOP will try to pass as much blame as they can to the Dems while the Dems will counter this was 100% on the GOP. How moderates in swing districts react will determine who wins the House next year.

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Yes. Main Dem talking point is that its not the dem's responsibility to elect the leader of the majority but in technical terms the Speaker is the leader of the house. The majority also has a majority leader. I'm sure the GOP will try to pass as much blame as they can to the Dems while the Dems will counter this was 100% on the GOP. How moderates in swing districts react will determine who wins the House next year.

 

I don't think there's any doubt which party will face the political fallout from this in House elections next year.

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I don't think there's any doubt which party will face the political fallout from this in House elections next year.

 

The House comes down to maybe 25-30 swing seats as both parties have gerrymandered the vast majority of the 400+ seats. So messaging will be important in those purple seats that decide the house. 

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8 minutes ago, oldschool said:

 

The House comes down to maybe 25-30 swing seats as both parties have gerrymandered the vast majority of the 400+ seats. So messaging will be important in those purple seats that decide the house. 

 

I think the GOP's national message is pretty resounding for all to see, including swing district voters: "We Can't Govern"

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