Mythos27 Posted September 12 Report Share Posted September 12 18 minutes ago, japan said: Tannehill an 11 year starter in the NFL. Not some rookie. The fuck does that have to do with anything? Rookie or not, the pass game wasn't working because he wasn't executing. You don't refuse to find another way to win just because he's a vet. Winning is what matters remember? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted September 12 Report Share Posted September 12 (edited) 1 minute ago, cenj said: I'd argue that if Tannehill can't be expected to make those throws yesterday, this season is lost anyway and there's no point coddling him so we win 1 or 2 more games. If we're going to compete, he's going to have to make those passes in clutch situations. He imploded in Cincy and has historically done nothing in the playoffs. I don't want to be 8-9. And that's fair in a big picture perspective. I'm just talking about what was needed to win that specific game. You escape the game with a win, however you can, and figure out what to do about Tannehill later. Edited September 12 by Mythos27 IsntLifeFunny 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
japan Posted September 12 Report Share Posted September 12 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Mythos27 said: The fuck does that have to do with anything? Rookie or not, the pass game wasn't working because he wasn't executing. You don't refuse to find another way to win just because he's a vet. Winning is what matters remember? I don't think the Bengals stop trying to get Burrow right because he looks like shit Sunday. The Saints loaded up to stop the running game. You hope that Tannehill will eventually get his head out of his ass, like a veteran starter... Edited September 12 by japan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudsOilers Posted September 12 Report Share Posted September 12 (edited) Tannehill had a bad game. He knows it. Vrabel knows it. Everyone who watched it knows it. It was by far the worst game he's had as a Titan. Now is it possible he's washed? Maybe. Is it possible it's simply rust from not seeing live action for a while in a new offense with a bunch of new players? Likely. Regardless, he needs to play a lot better to keep his job let alone be a starter here or somewhere else come 2024. Looking around the league, he was far from the only guy who stunk it up week 1 at QB. Edited September 12 by BudsOilers japan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted September 12 Report Share Posted September 12 13 minutes ago, cenj said: I'd argue that if Tannehill can't be expected to make those throws yesterday, this season is lost anyway and there's no point coddling him so we win 1 or 2 more games. If we're going to compete, he's going to have to make those passes in clutch situations. He imploded in Cincy and has historically done nothing in the playoffs. I don't want to be 8-9. come on. you know its highly unlikely he plays that poorly the rest of the season. he'll be average at worst unless he's fallen off a cliff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cenj Posted September 12 Report Share Posted September 12 I didn't see the videos, but everyone on the radio this morning was joking about Vrabel and Kelly talking about Tannehill. They said the coaches didn't have responses for Tannehill's performance and seemed genuinely shocked by what happened. It doesn't sound like they were purposely trying to throw Tannehill in the deep end and let him drown -- he really just shit the bed to a degree the coaches had a hard time understanding. They very well may reflect this week and have some philosophical conversations about scheme and Tannehill. titanruss, and IsntLifeFunny 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudsOilers Posted September 12 Report Share Posted September 12 (edited) What are you supposed to say when a guy that's super accurate and a good decision maker is missing open guys, throwing late, and forcing balls into coverage? Edited September 12 by BudsOilers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted September 12 Report Share Posted September 12 23 minutes ago, japan said: I don't think the Bengals stop trying to get Burrow right because he looks like shit Sunday. The Saints loaded up to stop the running game. You hope that Tannehill will eventually get his head out of his ass, like a veteran starter... I didn't say stop throwing. You're exaggerating. I said run more. We could've easily run more and still have been balanced. You have to adjust to the way the game is going. We were stubborn. XAEA12, and IsntLifeFunny 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgsTitan Posted September 12 Report Share Posted September 12 5 minutes ago, BudsOilers said: What are you supposed to say when a guy that's super accurate and a good decision maker is missing open guys, throwing late, and forcing balls into coverage? I would say to Tannehill, look, clearly 50% of your thoughts on each snap are Dillard and the likelihood of taking it from behind harder than Abella Danger. But this one was on you. Settle down, get the ball out, and start playing better now, or we'll be forced to try someone else (Levis). DCTitan, IsntLifeFunny, and TNTitans 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post titanruss Posted September 12 Popular Post Report Share Posted September 12 (edited) 6 hours ago, OILERMAN said: The team showed what they wanted to do offensively and they clearly did not consider him vital. When you look at the trade rumors, drafting of Spears and what they did it cannot be argued. It's more a passing game vs two down RB argument than Henry himself imo. The team has went all on on analytics and that lends way more to more passing vs running the ball. In order to make Henry a featured offensive player it comes with a lot of downside. All the poor first and second down runs kill an offense. He has to get carries on those downs to be featured. It's counter productive. Good teams easily stop the Henry running game. There is a reason multiple OCs/HCs have played washed up Murray, Dion Lewis and now Spears more/equal snaps despite Henry being a superior "runner". Versatility and the ability to be multifaceted trumps Henry's running. I have no doubt had they gotten a decent lead they would have ran Henry more to finish the game. But what is that worth? You can think eating a bowl of grease each day is fine for your health too... just because they acted like they don't think he's vital doesn't mean he is not vital. Henry was getting traded again? Right. Poor 1st and second down runs is a product of them projecting playcalls with personnel and formation... not the player or even the position. It's fine to pass more. Just don't project the play. Henry's receiving was highly ranked last year and on pace to be top 10 for most of the previous year before he was injured. He was also the most productive pass catcher yesterday per touch and was excellent at pass blocking. It seems the issue is more coaching wanting toys in players and analytics they don't know how to use yet. He is absolutely versatile at this stage in his career while being pegged to not be by certain posters. Henry off the field on third down has been a recipe for disaster for almost 3 years now. Edited September 12 by titanruss LongTimeFan, Mythos27, Number9, and 4 others 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
japan Posted September 12 Report Share Posted September 12 8 minutes ago, Mythos27 said: I didn't say stop throwing. You're exaggerating. I said run more. We could've easily run more and still have been balanced. You have to adjust to the way the game is going. We were stubborn. I guess, but I posted the runs by Henry in the second half. They were basically running into a brick wall... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanruss Posted September 12 Report Share Posted September 12 (edited) 1 hour ago, japan said: Tannehill an 11 year starter in the NFL. Not some rookie. 98% of the league/coaches / media / fans thought he was terrible to meh for 9.4 years of that 11 years... and they were mostly right. Edited September 12 by titanruss Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
japan Posted September 12 Report Share Posted September 12 Just now, titanruss said: But 98% of the league and coaches and media and fans thought he was terrible to meh for 9.4 years of that... and they were mostly right. I don't think a guy starts for 11 years who is 'terrible...' Sorry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted September 12 Report Share Posted September 12 Just now, japan said: I guess, but I posted the runs by Henry in the second half. They were basically running into a brick wall... Yes, because we were tipping when we were running with our formations. We would do something like throw a pass out of 10 personnel then bring Henry in and set up in like a 12 personnel look and run. Of course the D is going to stuff that. LongTimeFan, and IsntLifeFunny 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudsOilers Posted September 12 Report Share Posted September 12 3 minutes ago, japan said: I guess, but I posted the runs by Henry in the second half. They were basically running into a brick wall... 1st 5 carries (all 1st quarter, drive #2): 39 yards (7.8 YPC) - 6, 6, 6, 18. 3. Next 10 carries (rest of the game): 24 yards (2.4 YPC) - 1, 3, 1, 5, 2, 7, 3, 4, 0, -2). Also had a run for no gain that didn't count because of holding. japan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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