Curious if anyone else is as concerned about our pass rush as I am?

[OILERMAN]

4 hours ago, AussieTitanFan08 said:

lol at the mythical force multiplier being a great loss the rest of the NFL told Dupree what they thought of him when he could only secure a 1yr $3 million deal from the Falcons in the second wave of free agency.

 

Losing Autry killed the pass rush last year more than anything else, of course timed with Simmons high ankle sprain

 

LOL @ Dupree

[Justafan]

Bud Dupree, Killer edge player who vaulted the team!:

9 Tackles, 4 Assists, 4 Sacks, 1 FF, 5 TFL, 9 QB hits and ranked 45th in the NFL for QB pressures with 453 snaps.  

 

It is FALSE that Bud Dupree elevated the defense.  He was worse than Weaver last year

 

Rashad Weaver - Depth guy not considered a starting caliber player by anyone:

27 Tackles, 5.5 Sacks, 2 FF, 7 TFL, 15 QB hits and ranked 21st in the NFL for QB pressures.

 

Also, teams also tell you what they think of a guy by the snap counts and how often they keep a guy on the field.  Dupree played on 38% of snaps.  Weaver played on 55%.  I know people want to have this conversation that Dupree was underrated but it's not true.  Dupree played at replacement player level for 20m last year and it's why they cut him as quickly as they possibly could. 

 

 

AND before anyone tries to say something like - But Dupree was hurt and so if he was able to play snaps like Weaver he would have been better... this isn't true either.  He played in 11 games last year and Weaver got more opportunities and was better when he was on the field.  Also, it's an additional knock on Dupree that he was always hurt.  

Edited May 17 by Justafan

[OILERMAN]

Weaver showed some pass rush skill but was undisciplined and lacked the people to contain. He could develop into a really good edge player, he has the pass rush talent 

[Justafan]

1 minute ago, OILERMAN said:

Weaver showed some pass rush skill but was undisciplined and lacked the people to contain. He could develop into a really good edge player, he has the pass rush talent 

Personally, I think Key/Landry/Simmons/Autry is a pretty good starting 4 and then you have Weaver, Peevy, Jones as depth.  I think Murphy might overtake Sam Okuayinonu too and make some noise too.  The guy had ridiculous production in college. 

 

I'm far more concerned about the Kicker situation and depth at WR and Safety.  I think the Titans pass rushers are one of the strengths of the team and will be fine as long as Simmons and Landry are both healthy.  

[BlueThunder]

46 minutes ago, OILERMAN said:

Weaver showed some pass rush skill but was undisciplined and lacked the people to contain. He could develop into a really good edge player, he has the pass rush talent 

We have passed on some decent FA talent for pass rush. I too am concerned, along with LB play. This now appears to be our weak link. Hope they know something I don't. We passed up Za'darius Smith from the VIkings. Browns got him. 3 time pro-bowler.

[pat]

I'd forgotten about Arden Key.  His wikipedia bio isn't encouraging:

On December 26, 2020, in a Week 16 home game against the Miami Dolphins, Key committed a 15-yard personal foul penalty when he grabbed the facemask of Dolphin QB Ryan Fitzpatrick on a play where the Dolphins gained 34 yards; the penalty and catch put Miami in field goal range and Miami hit one from 44 yards to earn a 26-25 win, which eliminated the Raiders from playoff contention.

 

I share the OPs concern, but less about the individual player.  More that it seems like the Titans need a ludicrous array of talent across the board on defense to make an impact.  That seems to fall apart quickly each season.

[IrishTitansFan]

1 hour ago, Justafan said:

Bud Dupree, Killer edge player who vaulted the team!:

9 Tackles, 4 Assists, 4 Sacks, 1 FF, 5 TFL, 9 QB hits and ranked 45th in the NFL for QB pressures with 453 snaps.  

 

It is FALSE that Bud Dupree elevated the defense.  He was worse than Weaver last year

 

Rashad Weaver - Depth guy not considered a starting caliber player by anyone:

27 Tackles, 5.5 Sacks, 2 FF, 7 TFL, 15 QB hits and ranked 21st in the NFL for QB pressures.

 

Also, teams also tell you what they think of a guy by the snap counts and how often they keep a guy on the field.  Dupree played on 38% of snaps.  Weaver played on 55%.  I know people want to have this conversation that Dupree was underrated but it's not true.  Dupree played at replacement player level for 20m last year and it's why they cut him as quickly as they possibly could. 

 

 

AND before anyone tries to say something like - But Dupree was hurt and so if he was able to play snaps like Weaver he would have been better... this isn't true either.  He played in 11 games last year and Weaver got more opportunities and was better when he was on the field.  Also, it's an additional knock on Dupree that he was always hurt.  

Dupree wasn't great (and a terrible contract), but he definitely made the defense better, indisputable in both 2021 and 2022. (The below is before Simmons/Autry injury btw)

 

"To put it in perspective, in the nine games Dupree has missed since signing with Tennessee, the team has accounted for 18 sacks and 106 pressures.

On the contrary, whenever the team has No. 48 in the starting lineup, the team has recorded a whopping 54 sacks and 236 pressures in 15 games played (playoffs included)."

 

https://titanswire.usatoday.com/lists/tennessee-titans-bud-dupree-impact-stop-downplaying/

 

And he was better than Weaver, who is terrible. In the games Dupree played, he played 59% snaps to Weavers 58% and that was with Dupree leaving games early and being managed for his health. Dupree out-snapped him in every game they were both healthy. Dupree, at the very minimum, set the edge. Weaver's snaps will drop once again to a replacement level player now that Landry and Key are here

 

 

 

I agree Dupree was hurt too often and didn't play near his contract value, but Key has a big role to play if the Titans are going to be as good a pass rushing team as they were because they were better with Dupree on the field

 

 

Edited May 17 by IrishTitansFan

[Callidus]

2 hours ago, Justafan said:

Bud Dupree, Killer edge player who vaulted the team!:

9 Tackles, 4 Assists, 4 Sacks, 1 FF, 5 TFL, 9 QB hits and ranked 45th in the NFL for QB pressures with 453 snaps.  

 

It is FALSE that Bud Dupree elevated the defense.  He was worse than Weaver last year

 

Rashad Weaver - Depth guy not considered a starting caliber player by anyone:

27 Tackles, 5.5 Sacks, 2 FF, 7 TFL, 15 QB hits and ranked 21st in the NFL for QB pressures.

 

Also, teams also tell you what they think of a guy by the snap counts and how often they keep a guy on the field.  Dupree played on 38% of snaps.  Weaver played on 55%.  I know people want to have this conversation that Dupree was underrated but it's not true.  Dupree played at replacement player level for 20m last year and it's why they cut him as quickly as they possibly could. 

 

 

AND before anyone tries to say something like - But Dupree was hurt and so if he was able to play snaps like Weaver he would have been better... this isn't true either.  He played in 11 games last year and Weaver got more opportunities and was better when he was on the field.  Also, it's an additional knock on Dupree that he was always hurt.  

Regardless of what you think of bud weaver was a liability. All he does is rush the QB. How many times did we watch him abandon the edge and go off on his own in the backfield?

[Bongo59]

TN front is super solid.  Im not worried about them at all. 

[Justafan]

1 hour ago, IrishTitansFan said:

Dupree wasn't great (and a terrible contract), but he definitely made the defense better, indisputable in both 2021 and 2022. (The below is before Simmons/Autry injury btw)

 

"To put it in perspective, in the nine games Dupree has missed since signing with Tennessee, the team has accounted for 18 sacks and 106 pressures.

On the contrary, whenever the team has No. 48 in the starting lineup, the team has recorded a whopping 54 sacks and 236 pressures in 15 games played (playoffs included)."

 

https://titanswire.usatoday.com/lists/tennessee-titans-bud-dupree-impact-stop-downplaying/

 

And he was better than Weaver, who is terrible. In the games Dupree played, he played 59% snaps to Weavers 58% and that was with Dupree leaving games early and being managed for his health. Dupree out-snapped him in every game they were both healthy. Dupree, at the very minimum, set the edge. Weaver's snaps will drop once again to a replacement level player now that Landry and Key are here

 

 

 

I agree Dupree was hurt too often and didn't play near his contract value, but Key has a big role to play if the Titans are going to be as good a pass rushing team as they were because they were better with Dupree on the field

 

 

Bud Dupree's value to the league was clearly reflected in the contract that he got in FA 1 year - 3 million dollars.  If he made a big difference for the defense the Titans would have pushed to keep him.  Other teams would have fought and overpaid to get him.  Clearly, the Titans and the league did not see what you see.  

 

No one is arguing that Weaver is a more talented player than Dupree.  I used Weaver as an example to highlight that Dupree was not an all-star who elevated the team.  He wasn't.  You can throw team stats at me if you want but high level pass rushers produce Dupree did not.  He didn't produce sacks, pressures, kds, tackles, hurries or any other metric that pass rushers are routinely graded with.  

 

Dupree was a piece but 17 pressures is easily replaceable.  Key got 20 QB pressures and 4.5 sacks last year on roughly the same snaps as Dupree and I would argue with less talent around him.  

 

Key at 7 APY vs Dupree at 20 APY and I still think Key got a little over paid.  

[Justafan]

1 hour ago, Callidus said:

Regardless of what you think of bud weaver was a liability. All he does is rush the QB. How many times did we watch him abandon the edge and go off on his own in the backfield?

I'm not arguing that Weaver is a great player or deserves more opportunity.  He's a nice depth piece and probably won't garner a 2nd contract with the Titans for the reckless play style you alluded to.  

[titanruss]

4 hours ago, Justafan said:

Bud Dupree, Killer edge player who vaulted the team!:

9 Tackles, 4 Assists, 4 Sacks, 1 FF, 5 TFL, 9 QB hits and ranked 45th in the NFL for QB pressures with 453 snaps.  

 

It is FALSE that Bud Dupree elevated the defense.  He was worse than Weaver last year

 

Rashad Weaver - Depth guy not considered a starting caliber player by anyone:

27 Tackles, 5.5 Sacks, 2 FF, 7 TFL, 15 QB hits and ranked 21st in the NFL for QB pressures.

 

Also, teams also tell you what they think of a guy by the snap counts and how often they keep a guy on the field.  Dupree played on 38% of snaps.  Weaver played on 55%.  I know people want to have this conversation that Dupree was underrated but it's not true.  Dupree played at replacement player level for 20m last year and it's why they cut him as quickly as they possibly could. 

 

 

AND before anyone tries to say something like - But Dupree was hurt and so if he was able to play snaps like Weaver he would have been better... this isn't true either.  He played in 11 games last year and Weaver got more opportunities and was better when he was on the field.  Also, it's an additional knock on Dupree that he was always hurt.  

Those snap % can't mean much of anything of what you are arguing if Duprees injury is taken into account. 

 

Duprees value came in his ability to hold the edge and play at least some pass D there. As a straight up pass rusher he is a small loss but as an overall player when on the field it's a cumulative bigger loss than anyone here other than OP is giving credit for. 
 

 

[SleepingTitan]

Pass rush is the least of our worries. 9 sacks couldn't stop him. He took it and smiled. 

[XAEA12]

10 hours ago, Number9 said:

 

I'm in charge of making the Kool-Aid. 

 

 

 

 

Edit: I'm black too guys, it's okay

Edited May 17 by XAEA12

[japan]

10 hours ago, AussieTitanFan08 said:

 

Dupree was vastly overrated by many here and the loss of Landry in 2022 was way more significant than the time Dupree missed.

There was a stretch last year when Dupree was healthy where the DL was unstoppable.  Without Landry.  That being said, it's obvious why he's gone because he could not stay healthy...

Edited May 17 by japan