Tex in a Can Posted May 31 Report Share Posted May 31 Main thing for me is if Skoronski is the blue chip offensive lineman we were hoping to get in the 1st round. titanruss, Justafan, and BaddKarma 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted May 31 Report Share Posted May 31 7 minutes ago, Tex in a Can said: Main thing for me is if Skoronski is the blue chip offensive lineman we were hoping to get in the 1st round. Him becoming a blue-ship, All pro level guard is a pure traits-based projection. We think he can do it but I'm not convinced he'll play at the level. Hopefully he does. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted May 31 Report Share Posted May 31 1 hour ago, Mythos27 said: Him becoming a blue-ship, All pro level guard is a pure traits-based projection. We think he can do it but I'm not convinced he'll play at the level. Hopefully he does. Well, I mean of course it's a projection, but it isn't a hard one to make. The guy is one of the most physically impressive OL to come out in a long time besides the short arms. He has elite strength, power, explosion, quickness, and technique. titanruss, and Justafan 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
9 Nines Posted May 31 Report Share Posted May 31 Why not middle guard? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
freakingeek Posted May 31 Report Share Posted May 31 5 hours ago, Tex in a Can said: never hear that one, must be from before my time... I can't remember my cousin's baby's name but I can remember something I heard 60 years ago, lol. Tex in a Can 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted June 1 Report Share Posted June 1 The real question is how will Dillard hold up at LT Justafan, and Number9 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Face Posted June 1 Report Share Posted June 1 15 minutes ago, OILERMAN said: The real question is how will Dillard hold up at LT I love the Dillard signing. Justafan, VaTitan, and titanruss 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Face Posted June 1 Report Share Posted June 1 8 hours ago, Mythos27 said: Him becoming a blue-ship, All pro level guard is a pure traits-based projection. We think he can do it but I'm not convinced he'll play at the level. Hopefully he does. You know how much I loved the Skoronski pick but you do have a point. I’m curious if behind the scenes they see him as their LT of the future or RT if Dillard locks it down, or if they just want him to be a great LG. Because if it’s the latter, you could make a case that O’Cyrus Torrence is one of the best guard prospects to come out in awhile & he went late 2. The value might’ve been a stud defender & OCT in 2. But I also think we just needed to nail this pick badly & it wasn’t the year to take risks. rns90, Mythos27, and DCTitan 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted June 1 Report Share Posted June 1 7 hours ago, IsntLifeFunny said: Well, I mean of course it's a projection, but it isn't a hard one to make. The guy is one of the most physically impressive OL to come out in a long time besides the short arms. He has elite strength, power, explosion, quickness, and technique. All projections appear to make sense on the surface. It's only once we see the guy in action that we know. It's possible he's as good as everyone thinks he will be but I get the feeling that not many are seriously considering or preparing for the possibility that he might be average to above average at best which going by historical trends is the more likely outcome IMO. Projections that include a position change are very tough to make. Justafan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted June 1 Report Share Posted June 1 1 hour ago, Face said: You know how much I loved the Skoronski pick but you do have a point. I’m curious if behind the scenes they see him as their LT of the future or RT if Dillard locks it down, or if they just want him to be a great LG. Because if it’s the latter, you could make a case that O’Cyrus Torrence is one of the best guard prospects to come out in awhile & he went late 2. The value might’ve been a stud defender & OCT in 2. But I also think we just needed to nail this pick badly & it wasn’t the year to take risks. Admittedly I'm really just playing the numbers with this take. The odds that any guard drafted, even decorated ones that played guard all through college, becomes an all pro caliber player are very low. Therefore, it's logical to presume that taking a guy who didn't play there at all in college, might face similar if not worse odds. That said, this is a total generality that would apply to anyone. If we look at at Skoronski specifically he has really awesome traits and I totally get why people feel good about him making the transition. It's just hard for me to ignore all of the other factors and be convinced he'll be an all-pro guard. Feels kinda like cope to me. Obviously I hope he's the fucking man from day one. I've gotten over him not playing LT but him failing at guard would honestly wreck me. rns90 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rns90 Posted June 1 Report Share Posted June 1 40 minutes ago, Mythos27 said: Admittedly I'm really just playing the numbers with this take. The odds that any guard drafted, even decorated ones that played guard all through college, becomes an all pro caliber player are very low. Therefore, it's logical to presume that taking a guy who didn't play there at all in college, might face similar if not worse odds. That said, this is a total generality that would apply to anyone. If we look at at Skoronski specifically he has really awesome traits and I totally get why people feel good about him making the transition. It's just hard for me to ignore all of the other factors and be convinced he'll be an all-pro guard. Feels kinda like cope to me. Obviously I hope he's the fucking man from day one. I've gotten over him not playing LT but him failing at guard would honestly wreck me. The all pro part is key. I'm not sure he hits that level. Like you said it's a projection. And he might just be good, All pro to me is a different level. And if he's just good, that's a bad pick on the positional value argument. I get that they had to nail the pick and get a solid starter after whiffs in 20 and 21, but I get your skepticism of this pick at both G and LT. Mythos27, and Justafan 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted June 1 Report Share Posted June 1 Just now, rns90 said: The all pro part is key. I'm not sure he hits that level. Like you said it's a projection. And he might just be good, All pro to me is a different level. And if he's just good, that's a bad pick on the positional value argument. I get that they had to nail the pick and get a solid starter after whiffs in 20 and 21, but I get your skepticism of this pick at both G and LT. Exactly. And this is why it feels like pre-emptive cope to me. He pretty much NEEDS to be a very high level starter to justify drafting him where we did. If he turns out to be great, than that's awesome but if he's anything below that it's going to feel like we missed even if he becomes a pretty solid player. You don't take good guards that high. rns90, and Justafan 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted June 1 Report Share Posted June 1 2 hours ago, Mythos27 said: All projections appear to make sense on the surface. It's only once we see the guy in action that we know. It's possible he's as good as everyone thinks he will be but I get the feeling that not many are seriously considering or preparing for the possibility that he might be average to above average at best which going by historical trends is the more likely outcome IMO. Projections that include a position change are very tough to make. If it wasn't for his technique being damn near flawless I would have similar concerns. I'm not projecting him as a day 1 All-Pro type player or anything. I am saying he's going to be a damn good OL in whichever position he ends up playing. Number9, and prometheus 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted June 1 Report Share Posted June 1 1 minute ago, IsntLifeFunny said: If it wasn't for his technique being damn near flawless I would have similar concerns. I'm not projecting him as a day 1 All-Pro type player or anything. I am saying he's going to be a damn good OL in whichever position he ends up playing. Friendly reminder that his perfect technique (I agree) was at left tackle. Guard, from what I understand, is very different. I get your point though, no one expects him to be an all pro guard day 1. That would be unreasonable. Overall I think he'll be fine. I'm just wary of painting him as a sure-fire future all pro. IsntLifeFunny, and titanruss 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted June 1 Report Share Posted June 1 13 minutes ago, Mythos27 said: Friendly reminder that his perfect technique (I agree) was at left tackle. Guard, from what I understand, is very different. I get your point though, no one expects him to be an all pro guard day 1. That would be unreasonable. Overall I think he'll be fine. I'm just wary of painting him as a sure-fire future all pro. I can definitely say if he isn't a top flight LT or an All-Pro guard then he was a bad pick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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