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3 minutes ago, oldschool said:

 

Interesting cutoff point. Brady has been to 9/23 Superbowls (7-2). During that time the following non elite QBs won Superbowls

 

Brad Johnson

Big Ben

Eli Manning

Flacco

Washed up Peyton Manning

Nick Foles

Stafford

 

Superbowl QBs who were a few plays from being champions

Delhome

McNabb

Ryan

Kaepernick

Goff

Jimmy G

Hurts

 

Your argument is weak and has been debunked by multiple here. Everyone agrees having a HOF QB gives you the best chance to compete for Titles year and year out. I guess they team should go out back to the HOF QB tree and pick one then!

 

This again completely misses the point.

 

Ben, Eli and Peyton were franchise QB's.

 

Sure, there are outliers like the Foles year.  It's going to happen.

 

You know what all those guys who were a few plays away have in common?  Except for Kaepernick, they all lost to a franchise QB.

 

 

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1 minute ago, abenjami said:

 

This again completely misses the point.

 

Ben, Eli and Peyton were franchise QB's.

 

Sure, there are outliers like the Foles year.  It's going to happen.

 

You know what all those guys who were a few plays away have in common?  Except for Kaepernick, they all lost to a franchise QB.

 

 

 

Ben was along for the ride in his first superbowl and so was Peyton for this 2nd. Eli again doesn't prove your point at all, it proves the opposite. Fringe top 10 guy with a stellar defense who got lucky on a few plays late  during two superbowls. Somehow that means he's a franchise guy? You are defeating your own argument.

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12 hours ago, abenjami said:

 

Who cares about our division.  Let's say things to perfect and we somehow not only win the division but end up as the #1 seed.  Do you really think we have a legitimate shot at winning the Super Bowl? 

If they're the #1 seed?  Of course they would.

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Just now, Mercalius said:


What are their playoff passing stats?

 

Stafford's are better based on 2022.  Of course, he got some breaks in that playoff run....

 

TB sends a zero blitz at the end of the game and left Kupp uncovered - set up the winning FG

 

And then there's this one....dropped pick in the 4th quarter of the NFCC and then they go to tie the game as opposed to SF having the ball and the lead in good field position.

 

Prior to that run, Stafford was winless in 3 playoff games.

 

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5 minutes ago, abenjami said:

 

This again completely misses the point.

 

Ben, Eli and Peyton were franchise QB's.

 

Sure, there are outliers like the Foles year.  It's going to happen.

 

You know what all those guys who were a few plays away have in common?  Except for Kaepernick, they all lost to a franchise QB.

 

Ben and Peyton - sure albeit the have a lot more playoff failures than successes.  Eli?  The 2 Flacco like SB runs skew a career where he was mediocre for the rest of it.

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3 minutes ago, Mythos27 said:

The fact that tank for Tua was a thing forever ruins the concept of tanking. Years ago the talk was teams should tank for Sam Darnold. Man, just play the games and try to win. The proactive path to a franchise QB is to amass trade capital during your competitive re-build so that if you do see that unicorn in the draft you can trade up for him. 

The other part of it is it's a false dichotomy to say you shouldn't build around a guy like Tannehill. You're building the roster for whatever QB is the starter. Depleting the roster to such a place to ensure you're a bottom 3 team means you're dropping a QB into a terrible spot, which is likely why so many top 5 pick QBs bust out. 

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3 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said:

The other part of it is it's a false dichotomy to say you shouldn't build around a guy like Tannehill. You're building the roster for whatever QB is the starter. Depleting the roster to such a place to ensure you're a bottom 3 team means you're dropping a QB into a terrible spot, which is likely why so many top 5 pick QBs bust out. 

 

Yeah let's trade day 1 and 2 of this draft and next year so CJ Stroud can get killed!

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6 minutes ago, Mythos27 said:

The fact that tank for Tua was a thing forever ruins the concept of tanking. Years ago the talk was teams should tank for Sam Darnold. Man, just play the games and try to win. The proactive path to a franchise QB is to amass trade capital during your competitive re-build so that if you do see that unicorn in the draft you can trade up for him. 

 

You know I don't put much stock in PFF but I found this chart interesting because it lines up with ones I've seen on sites I have more faith in. Imagine tanking nonstop to get the chance to draft a QB only to have the bust rate for said 1st round QB be around 58%.

 

As of 2021...

https://thedraftnetwork.com/qb-success-rate-by-draft-position-2021-nfl-draft/

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Just now, BudsOilers said:

 

Yeah let's trade day 1 and 2 of this draft and next year so CJ Stroud can get killed!

Yep. Haha it is kind of funny Benji came out of left field to bring back from the grave the ghost of tgo's argument about QBs. You hate to see it! 

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I could not care less about what the media says on the topic of Matthew Stafford.  He's a good QB and quite honestly got very lucky in the Rams Super Bowl win.  He fumbled at the end of the TB game.  If TB recovers it then he'd have been the QB that blew, what, a 28 point or so second half lead?  And then the next week he throws an absolutely horrific INT against the 49ers that somehow didn't bite them.  And that game was won by the defense.  Stafford and Tannehill are interchangeable.  Both good, not great QBs.

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Well to be fair here if the Titans truly thought Stroud was a franchise caliber QB and weren't just interested for the sake of it ala The Ponder and Manuel picks a decade or so ago, then you absolutely move up and worry about putting pieces around him later. 

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