abenjami Posted March 20, 2023 Report Share Posted March 20, 2023 3 minutes ago, oldschool said: Interesting cutoff point. Brady has been to 9/23 Superbowls (7-2). During that time the following non elite QBs won Superbowls Brad Johnson Big Ben Eli Manning Flacco Washed up Peyton Manning Nick Foles Stafford Superbowl QBs who were a few plays from being champions Delhome McNabb Ryan Kaepernick Goff Jimmy G Hurts Your argument is weak and has been debunked by multiple here. Everyone agrees having a HOF QB gives you the best chance to compete for Titles year and year out. I guess they team should go out back to the HOF QB tree and pick one then! This again completely misses the point. Ben, Eli and Peyton were franchise QB's. Sure, there are outliers like the Foles year. It's going to happen. You know what all those guys who were a few plays away have in common? Except for Kaepernick, they all lost to a franchise QB. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted March 20, 2023 Report Share Posted March 20, 2023 1 minute ago, abenjami said: This again completely misses the point. Ben, Eli and Peyton were franchise QB's. Sure, there are outliers like the Foles year. It's going to happen. You know what all those guys who were a few plays away have in common? Except for Kaepernick, they all lost to a franchise QB. Ben was along for the ride in his first superbowl and so was Peyton for this 2nd. Eli again doesn't prove your point at all, it proves the opposite. Fringe top 10 guy with a stellar defense who got lucky on a few plays late during two superbowls. Somehow that means he's a franchise guy? You are defeating your own argument. IsntLifeFunny 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scine09 Posted March 20, 2023 Report Share Posted March 20, 2023 12 hours ago, abenjami said: Who cares about our division. Let's say things to perfect and we somehow not only win the division but end up as the #1 seed. Do you really think we have a legitimate shot at winning the Super Bowl? If they're the #1 seed? Of course they would. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudsOilers Posted March 20, 2023 Report Share Posted March 20, 2023 Just now, Mercalius said: What are their playoff passing stats? Stafford's are better based on 2022. Of course, he got some breaks in that playoff run.... TB sends a zero blitz at the end of the game and left Kupp uncovered - set up the winning FG And then there's this one....dropped pick in the 4th quarter of the NFCC and then they go to tie the game as opposed to SF having the ball and the lead in good field position. Prior to that run, Stafford was winless in 3 playoff games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudsOilers Posted March 20, 2023 Report Share Posted March 20, 2023 5 minutes ago, abenjami said: This again completely misses the point. Ben, Eli and Peyton were franchise QB's. Sure, there are outliers like the Foles year. It's going to happen. You know what all those guys who were a few plays away have in common? Except for Kaepernick, they all lost to a franchise QB. Ben and Peyton - sure albeit the have a lot more playoff failures than successes. Eli? The 2 Flacco like SB runs skew a career where he was mediocre for the rest of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scine09 Posted March 20, 2023 Report Share Posted March 20, 2023 12 hours ago, IsntLifeFunny said: NYG, Ravens, Broncos, and Eagles would all disagree with your stance. Honestly the Patriots in Brady's first Super Bowl season were more mediocre than any of those teams. And there's no way at that point he was a franchise QB. IsntLifeFunny, and rns90 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudsOilers Posted March 20, 2023 Report Share Posted March 20, 2023 NE always had good teams around Brady and were well coached. Mythos27 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted March 20, 2023 Report Share Posted March 20, 2023 This is getting ugly. Even Scine is piling on! oldschool, and rns90 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mythos27 Posted March 20, 2023 Popular Post Report Share Posted March 20, 2023 The fact that tank for Tua was a thing forever ruins the concept of tanking. Years ago the talk was teams should tank for Sam Darnold. Man, just play the games and try to win. The proactive path to a franchise QB is to amass trade capital during your competitive re-build so that if you do see that unicorn in the draft you can trade up for him. 2ToneTerror, OILERMAN, IsntLifeFunny, and 3 others 4 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted March 20, 2023 Report Share Posted March 20, 2023 3 minutes ago, Mythos27 said: The fact that tank for Tua was a thing forever ruins the concept of tanking. Years ago the talk was teams should tank for Sam Darnold. Man, just play the games and try to win. The proactive path to a franchise QB is to amass trade capital during your competitive re-build so that if you do see that unicorn in the draft you can trade up for him. The other part of it is it's a false dichotomy to say you shouldn't build around a guy like Tannehill. You're building the roster for whatever QB is the starter. Depleting the roster to such a place to ensure you're a bottom 3 team means you're dropping a QB into a terrible spot, which is likely why so many top 5 pick QBs bust out. Mythos27, Titans279, BudsOilers, and 1 other 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudsOilers Posted March 20, 2023 Report Share Posted March 20, 2023 3 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said: The other part of it is it's a false dichotomy to say you shouldn't build around a guy like Tannehill. You're building the roster for whatever QB is the starter. Depleting the roster to such a place to ensure you're a bottom 3 team means you're dropping a QB into a terrible spot, which is likely why so many top 5 pick QBs bust out. Yeah let's trade day 1 and 2 of this draft and next year so CJ Stroud can get killed! IsntLifeFunny 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted March 20, 2023 Report Share Posted March 20, 2023 6 minutes ago, Mythos27 said: The fact that tank for Tua was a thing forever ruins the concept of tanking. Years ago the talk was teams should tank for Sam Darnold. Man, just play the games and try to win. The proactive path to a franchise QB is to amass trade capital during your competitive re-build so that if you do see that unicorn in the draft you can trade up for him. You know I don't put much stock in PFF but I found this chart interesting because it lines up with ones I've seen on sites I have more faith in. Imagine tanking nonstop to get the chance to draft a QB only to have the bust rate for said 1st round QB be around 58%. As of 2021... https://thedraftnetwork.com/qb-success-rate-by-draft-position-2021-nfl-draft/ Mythos27, and Titans279 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted March 20, 2023 Report Share Posted March 20, 2023 Just now, BudsOilers said: Yeah let's trade day 1 and 2 of this draft and next year so CJ Stroud can get killed! Yep. Haha it is kind of funny Benji came out of left field to bring back from the grave the ghost of tgo's argument about QBs. You hate to see it! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scine09 Posted March 20, 2023 Report Share Posted March 20, 2023 I could not care less about what the media says on the topic of Matthew Stafford. He's a good QB and quite honestly got very lucky in the Rams Super Bowl win. He fumbled at the end of the TB game. If TB recovers it then he'd have been the QB that blew, what, a 28 point or so second half lead? And then the next week he throws an absolutely horrific INT against the 49ers that somehow didn't bite them. And that game was won by the defense. Stafford and Tannehill are interchangeable. Both good, not great QBs. BudsOilers, IsntLifeFunny, and rns90 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted March 20, 2023 Report Share Posted March 20, 2023 Well to be fair here if the Titans truly thought Stroud was a franchise caliber QB and weren't just interested for the sake of it ala The Ponder and Manuel picks a decade or so ago, then you absolutely move up and worry about putting pieces around him later. Mythos27 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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