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6 minutes ago, big2033 said:

 

Sure. But why draft one a year prior? You guys are on one hand guaranteeing they'll draft another in the first later. But with that thought process, why draft one in the third now.

 

Doesn't add up.

 

There's an easy answer here.

 

Why not? if the value is there you take it. It doesn't lock you into anything going forward. There's a huge gap between being capable and being a star, including panning out as a backup, or a special package player like Hill, or being trade bait like Schaub or Jimmy G or Mallet etc. The NFL is littered with teams doing this. In reality it's extremely unlikely such a late QB pick would prove much in his first season anyway, so it makes no impact on whether you spend more capital on a QB a year later.

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Non issue.  Of course they "looked into" trading for both guys.  The Rodgers stuff isn't news and neither should the Watson stuff.  Any idiot with a brain would have done the same thing.

jrob would be fucking terrible at his job if he didn't inquire about Rodgers, Watson, Wilson, etc... He would also be terrible at his job if he didn't start thinking about what to do at QB with a 34 y

Sometimes the IQ of this place astounds me.  Not in a good way , either.

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2 minutes ago, OzTitan said:

 

Why not? if the value is there you take it. It doesn't lock you into anything going forward. There's a huge gap between being capable and being a star, including panning out as a backup, or a special package player like Hill, or being trade bait like Schaub or Jimmy G or Mallet etc. The NFL is littered with teams doing this. In reality it's extremely unlikely such a late QB pick would prove much in his first season anyway, so it makes no impact on whether you spend more capital on a QB a year later.

 

No pick locks you into anything lol. But when you draft a guy ... you draft him with an expectation of that pick to pan out into a starter or more. Especially in the first three rounds.

 

@rns90 just talked about Rosen and acted like this was some revelation. Forgetting the fact that they draft Rosen to be a FRANCHISE FUCKING QB and made their move with that in mind.

 

He was just SO BAD, they decided to move on a year later because their draft position allowed them to.

 

But when they drafted him, they drafted him to be the QB of the future.

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Just now, big2033 said:

 

No pick locks you into anything lol. But when you draft a guy ... you draft him with an expectation of that pick to pan out into a starter or more. Especially in the first three rounds.

 

@rns90 just talked about Rosen and acted like this was some revelation. Forgetting the fact that they draft Rosen to be a FRANCHISE FUCKING QB and were made their move with that in mind.

 

He was just SO BAD, they decided to move on a year later because their draft position allowed them to.

 

But when they drafted him, they drafted him to be the QB of the future.

 

A 1st rounder spent on a QB is very different to any other round pick spent on a QB, both contractually, intention wise, and, statistically, success wise. Teams do tend to lock into those at least long enough to rule out a QB in the 1st again the very next draft.

 

The point is spending a 3rd+ round pick on a QB means nothing for your next draft. Whether you hope they become a starter or not when you picked them is irrelevant, if 12 months later you're standing there on draft day with a chance to pick a stud QB prospect, you take him no questions asked and NFL teams undoubtedly would. Unless that 3rd+ rounder happened to break out early and is clearly the team's QB going forward - you don't otherwise based on what you hoped the year prior, lol.

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This isn't that hard.  If you don't have a qb, you spend whatever it takes to acquire one.  If you drafted some dude in the third round and either A) he shows nothing or more likely B) another prospect with higher upside/likelyhood of becoming a franchise quarterback becomes available, you move on from it.  The goal is to acquire a franchise qb.  Spending X draft pick, should not preclude you from acquiring someone who has a better chance of becoming one.

 

And before someone brings up Mariota, he fooled enough people into thinking he had traits of a franchise qb, so that's why Quiver Chins passed on Mahomes, Watson (quite wrongly in hindsight).

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1 minute ago, OzTitan said:

 

A 1st rounder spent on a QB is very different to any other round pick spent on a QB, both contractually, intention wise, and, statistically, success wise. Teams do tend to lock into those at least long enough to rule out a QB in the 1st again the very next draft.

 

The point is spending a 3rd+ round pick on a QB means nothing for your next draft. Whether you hope they become a starter or not when you picked them is irrelevant, if 12 months later you're standing there on draft day with a chance to pick a stud QB prospect, you take him no questions asked and NFL teams undoubtedly would. Unless that 3rd+ rounder happened to break out early and is clearly the team's QB going forward - you don't otherwise based on what you hoped the year prior, lol.

 

Tell that to @rns90 ... 

 

Teams have changed their stance on this approach by the way it was talked about a lot in the draft. You don't know what drafting any position means to the next draft. And you def. don't draft with the next draft in mind. You draft your needs, and your highest grade. Picks like Ridder etc. will get a chance to show they can be a starter .., or they'll be replaced like every other position.

 

But they weren't draft to be a backup or with a future QB pick in mind. It doesn't make sense.

 

If Ridder doesn't work, and you have a stud to pick ... sure you take him. But the Falcons aren't thinking that far ahead. 

 

They'll see what they have in camp ... Mariota will prob get hurt and they'll see if their QB is their future. That's why he was drafted.

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1 minute ago, rns90 said:

This isn't that hard.  If you don't have a qb, you spend whatever it takes to acquire one.  If you drafted some dude in the third round and either A) he shows nothing or more likely B) another prospect with higher upside/likelyhood of becoming a franchise quarterback becomes available, you move on from it.  The goal is to acquire a franchise qb.  Spending X draft pick, should not preclude you from acquiring someone who has a better chance of becoming one.

 

And before someone brings up Mariota, he fooled enough people into thinking he had traits of a franchise qb, so that's why Quiver Chins passed on Mahomes, Watson (quite wrongly in hindsight).

 

Well I'm glad you get it. We drafted a franchise QB ... if he shows nothing, yes we'll move on.

 

But the intent was there.

 

Have a good night.

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4 minutes ago, big2033 said:

 

Tell that to @rns90 ... 

 

Teams have changed their stance on this approach by the way it was talked about a lot in the draft. You don't know what drafting any position means to the next draft. And you def. don't draft with the next draft in mind. You draft your needs, and your highest grade. Picks like Ridder etc. will get a chance to show they can be a starter .., or they'll be replaced like every other position.

 

But they weren't draft to be a backup or with a future QB pick in mind. It doesn't make sense.

 

If Ridder doesn't work, and you have a stud to pick ... sure you take him. But the Falcons aren't thinking that far ahead. 

 

They'll see what they have in camp ... Mariota will prob get hurt and they'll see if their QB is their future. That's why he was drafted.

 

It's not about whether they don't work out, we're talking a 1 year time gap here until the next time the team may have a shot at a QB. Chances are, we won't know if guys like Willis and Ridder will work out for years. They were drafted for their potential, but that isn't going to stop a team acting if the chance comes up well before that potential may be realized.

 

Like, in a crazy turn of events, the NFL just announced a new supplementary draft will start next week, and for some reason, the Falcons will have the 1st pick. Also through some miracle of science, Arch Manning just aged a few more years and looks like Peyton reincarnate, and declares for this supplementary draft. Do you think the Falcons pass on that having taken Ridder in the 3rd?

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1 hour ago, AvgJoe said:

I cannot believe anyone doesn’t understand why the Titans drafted Willis in the 3rd round. The Titans bought a lottery ticket that could go boom or go bust. The beauty is they didn’t use a premium pick in the 1st round and define their regime by Willis. Robinson will look like a genius if Willis develops into a franchise QB. If he doesn’t, he can always draft another. 

I think it’s just a handful of dummies now that don’t get it…

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35 minutes ago, big2033 said:

 

Well I'm glad you get it. We drafted a franchise QB ... if he shows nothing, yes we'll move on.

 

But the intent was there.

 

Have a good night.

 

lol no. JR didn't draft a "franchise QB". If the Titans get a shot at a top QB prospect or FA/trade target before Willis is even on an active gameday roster, they will take it. If Tannehill looks great this season and demands a new contract/commitment before Willis has had a chance to show anything, they will do it. There's no hard and fast definition of what a "franchise QB" is, but that ain't it.

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10 hours ago, japan said:

🤷‍♂️ Tannehill is getting older and it is probably time that they start looking to groom someone.  I think this class was really bad and they took the guy with the highest ceiling and were probably surprised that he could be had at the bottom of the 3rd round.  But I wouldn't get too excited about Willis being able to be molded into an NFL QB.


I'm not excited about him. I'm tired of running QBs. but I see the coaches acting excited and lots of things lining up similarly to several of the past eras of titans fb. 

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10 hours ago, big2033 said:

 

You and I both know you don't waste a 3rd round pick on that unless you value the pick as a future starter. 

 

You can get a lot of free agent QBs instead of spending a third round pick. Wait until the 4th, 5th 6th .. 

 

You're literally saying you spend a 3rd round pick on a QB that might not start but if he does he def won't be ready to play. For a year or less ... then you draft your real starter.

No we both don't know that. That's what you think but I don't think that's true.  We're taking a shot on his talent and if he shows he can't play at this level well enough by the time we have to replace Tannehill we draft a real successor likely in the 1st where they're usually drafted.

 

It's a third round pick, not a first. Third round QBs have a 90% bust rate. Malik Willis is not a pillar of our roster construction efforts. He's a flyer that they surely think it's very talented and could make it if things go well but here's the thing; EVERY team that's drafted a QB in the third likely thought the same thing and there is still only a 10% success rate. It's not like we're going to go all in and completely change our offense to suit him like the Ravens did with Lamar. He'll either be able to execute our gameplan or he won't. Sink  or swim. 

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13 hours ago, titanruss said:


 It's hard to define "taking a flier" here. It's a high risk high reward pick but not that much of a risk. It's definitely a pick they hope pans out and takes over the starter role eventually.... so to me it should be a bit of a jolt to Tannehill that he better get his shit together and impress even when he's got little help surrounding and scheme changes. 
 

The jolt should be to do more to be better... to show up and to get his head right... and to perform in the playoffs. he decided to take distance so far and the going opinion is he's not good enough to not be there all the time. 
 

so along with the absence, headspace issues, choking, and bad statistical season - people of course read a ton more into this pick. It's overblown a bit - sure... 

 

but Malik was scouted hard by us and traded up for. There's meaning there more than just flier to me. It's setting up for a qb battle after 2023.... possibly earlier if RT does what every titans QB since McNair has done--- crack and submarine completely (despite what you think of my opinions there I hope RT flourishes). However from august of last year till now it's validly arguable that hes headed in a down trend. 

Sure but how much of a jolt is it really if Malik still isn't ready to take over by the end of the year? If Tannehill underwhelms but Malik isn't even ready to see the field yet, there is no real added pressure from Willis. Had we drafted a pro-ready QB that was ready to slide right in if Tannehill shows signs of decline THAT would be real pressure. That's why I say that the actual jolt to Tannehill is that they were looking hard at finding a QB that can replace him sooner rather than later both through the draft and through trades not that they eventually settled for taking Willis in the third.  

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6 hours ago, japan said:

I think it’s just a handful of dummies now that don’t get it…

They're not dumb they just really need to believe that the Titans just intentionally drafted their QBOTF with a 3rd round pick and most importantly that it means Tannehill is on the thinnest of ice... It's all about Tannehill. 

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15 minutes ago, Mythos27 said:

No we both don't know that. That's what you think but I don't think that's true.  We're taking a shot on his talent and if he shows he can't play at this level well enough by the time we have to replace Tannehill we draft a real successor likely in the 1st where they're usually drafted.

 

It's a third round pick, not a first. Third round QBs have a 90% bust rate. Malik Willis is not a pillar of our roster construction efforts. He's a flyer that they surely think it's very talented and could make it if things go well but here's the thing; EVERY team that's drafted a QB in the third likely thought the same thing and there is still only a 10% success rate. It's not like we're going to go all in and completely change our offense to suit him like the Ravens did with Lamar. He'll either be able to execute our gameplan or he won't. Sink  or swim. 

 

What guarantee is there that we'll be capable of drafting that successor in the first round even if your scenario goes the way you say?

 

Do you how next year's QBs will be graded? How we'll grade them? Do you know if we'll be in position to draft a QB we give a 1st round grade?

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1 minute ago, big2033 said:

 

What guarantee is there that we'll be capable of drafting that successor in the first round even if your scenario goes the way you say?

 

Do you how next year's QBs will be graded? How we'll grade them? Do you know if we'll be in position to draft a QB we give a 1st round grade?

Absolutely no guarantee. If Malik doesn't show signs of NFL life and Tannehill sucks enough to get booted we'll either draft whoever we have rated the highest at QB, trade for a vet QB, or sign one in FA

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