Titans looked into trading for Watson and Rodgers

[titanruss]

10 hours ago, japan said:

 Tannehill is getting older and it is probably time that they start looking to groom someone.  I think this class was really bad and they took the guy with the highest ceiling and were probably surprised that he could be had at the bottom of the 3rd round.  But I wouldn't get too excited about Willis being able to be molded into an NFL QB.

I'm not excited about him. I'm tired of running QBs. but I see the coaches acting excited and lots of things lining up similarly to several of the past eras of titans fb. 

[Mythos27]

10 hours ago, big2033 said:

 

You and I both know you don't waste a 3rd round pick on that unless you value the pick as a future starter. 

 

You can get a lot of free agent QBs instead of spending a third round pick. Wait until the 4th, 5th 6th .. 

 

You're literally saying you spend a 3rd round pick on a QB that might not start but if he does he def won't be ready to play. For a year or less ... then you draft your real starter.

No we both don't know that. That's what you think but I don't think that's true.  We're taking a shot on his talent and if he shows he can't play at this level well enough by the time we have to replace Tannehill we draft a real successor likely in the 1st where they're usually drafted.

 

It's a third round pick, not a first. Third round QBs have a 90% bust rate. Malik Willis is not a pillar of our roster construction efforts. He's a flyer that they surely think it's very talented and could make it if things go well but here's the thing; EVERY team that's drafted a QB in the third likely thought the same thing and there is still only a 10% success rate. It's not like we're going to go all in and completely change our offense to suit him like the Ravens did with Lamar. He'll either be able to execute our gameplan or he won't. Sink  or swim. 

[Mythos27]

13 hours ago, titanruss said:

 It's hard to define "taking a flier" here. It's a high risk high reward pick but not that much of a risk. It's definitely a pick they hope pans out and takes over the starter role eventually.... so to me it should be a bit of a jolt to Tannehill that he better get his shit together and impress even when he's got little help surrounding and scheme changes. 
 

The jolt should be to do more to be better... to show up and to get his head right... and to perform in the playoffs. he decided to take distance so far and the going opinion is he's not good enough to not be there all the time. 
 

so along with the absence, headspace issues, choking, and bad statistical season - people of course read a ton more into this pick. It's overblown a bit - sure... 

 

but Malik was scouted hard by us and traded up for. There's meaning there more than just flier to me. It's setting up for a qb battle after 2023.... possibly earlier if RT does what every titans QB since McNair has done--- crack and submarine completely (despite what you think of my opinions there I hope RT flourishes). However from august of last year till now it's validly arguable that hes headed in a down trend. 

Sure but how much of a jolt is it really if Malik still isn't ready to take over by the end of the year? If Tannehill underwhelms but Malik isn't even ready to see the field yet, there is no real added pressure from Willis. Had we drafted a pro-ready QB that was ready to slide right in if Tannehill shows signs of decline THAT would be real pressure. That's why I say that the actual jolt to Tannehill is that they were looking hard at finding a QB that can replace him sooner rather than later both through the draft and through trades not that they eventually settled for taking Willis in the third.  

[Mythos27]

6 hours ago, japan said:

I think it’s just a handful of dummies now that don’t get it…

They're not dumb they just really need to believe that the Titans just intentionally drafted their QBOTF with a 3rd round pick and most importantly that it means Tannehill is on the thinnest of ice... It's all about Tannehill. 

[big2033]

15 minutes ago, Mythos27 said:

No we both don't know that. That's what you think but I don't think that's true.  We're taking a shot on his talent and if he shows he can't play at this level well enough by the time we have to replace Tannehill we draft a real successor likely in the 1st where they're usually drafted.

 

It's a third round pick, not a first. Third round QBs have a 90% bust rate. Malik Willis is not a pillar of our roster construction efforts. He's a flyer that they surely think it's very talented and could make it if things go well but here's the thing; EVERY team that's drafted a QB in the third likely thought the same thing and there is still only a 10% success rate. It's not like we're going to go all in and completely change our offense to suit him like the Ravens did with Lamar. He'll either be able to execute our gameplan or he won't. Sink  or swim. 

 

What guarantee is there that we'll be capable of drafting that successor in the first round even if your scenario goes the way you say?

 

Do you how next year's QBs will be graded? How we'll grade them? Do you know if we'll be in position to draft a QB we give a 1st round grade?

[Mythos27]

1 minute ago, big2033 said:

 

What guarantee is there that we'll be capable of drafting that successor in the first round even if your scenario goes the way you say?

 

Do you how next year's QBs will be graded? How we'll grade them? Do you know if we'll be in position to draft a QB we give a 1st round grade?

Absolutely no guarantee. If Malik doesn't show signs of NFL life and Tannehill sucks enough to get booted we'll either draft whoever we have rated the highest at QB, trade for a vet QB, or sign one in FA. 

[oldschool]

8 minutes ago, Mythos27 said:

They're not dumb they just really need to believe that the Titans just intentionally drafted their QBOTF with a 3rd round pick and most importantly that it means Tannehill is on the thinnest of ice... It's all about Tannehill. 

 

No, they are dumb. The guy you've been arguing with the past few days has shown over the years he doesn't understand anything about football. 

[Jamalisms]

8 hours ago, big2033 said:

 

Sure. But why draft one a year prior? You guys are on one hand guaranteeing they'll draft another in the first later. But with that thought process, why draft one in the third now.

 

Doesn't add up.

 

There's an easy answer here.

 

You evaluate Ryan for a year (or however long) and see where he's at, if he rebounds, if his head is right and project what he'll be in a few years. Maybe you resign him and decide your immediate need doesn't merit the 1st.

 

Maybe they wanted the 1st round elite hope guy this year but he wasn't there anywhere in this draft class. They could have done nothing but instead took a guy who is gifted but needs development. Now, in addition to Ryan, they evaluate him for a year and hope he starts developing or at least showing signs of development. Based on how far along that comes, maybe you don't have to spend a 1st even if Ryan seems a guy to move on from.

 

It's all about giving them options and the cost wasn't extreme so they can always take the more sure thing next year. A 3rd round pick is also not nothing. There's actually some hope about Malik and they didn't draft him thinking "third round QBs bust and this is a waste but oh well, fuck it." They drafted him for the chance he develops and considered the traits he has and the interviews and practices and all the stuff that goes into their scouting of him. It's an educated bet with hope for payoff, not a lottery ticket.

 

... and all done with an eye on replacing Ryan.

[big2033]

10 minutes ago, Mythos27 said:

Absolutely no guarantee. If Malik doesn't show signs of NFL life and Tannehill sucks enough to get booted we'll either draft whoever we have rated the highest at QB, trade for a vet QB, or sign one in FA. 

 

Great. There is a reason we drafted this player, and not simply to draft another one.

[OILERMAN]

31 minutes ago, Mythos27 said:

EVERY team that's drafted a QB in the third likely thought the same thing and there is still only a 10% success rate.

 

This is way too high depending on your definition of "success".

 

Tannehill has played at a high level, even an MVP level for long stretches since becoming the starter. The idea he's going to "suck" bad enough to get booted is very unlikely. The Titans are going to have one of the best rosters in the league next year. 

 

The notion that a 3rd round QB from Liberty who has shown no ability to play within the structure of an NFL passing offense is going to take over the team in 2023 is beyond a joke. 

 

Likely scenarios after this season:

 

1. Tannehill extension

2. Draft or trade for a new QB

3. See #2 

[Mythos27]

43 minutes ago, big2033 said:

 

Great. There is a reason we drafted this player, and not simply to draft another one.

My point is we drafted him knowing fully well that will likely draft another one in the near future. For contrast, the Steelers clearly drafted Pickett to be the guy and will give him every opportunity to show he's NOT the guy. That's the difference between taking a QB in the first vs the 3rd. 

[oldschool]

https://riggosrag.com/2022/05/04/3-major-observations-from-commanders-selection-sam-howell/

 

An underrated luxury of Washington drafting Howell?

It gives them the requisite flexibility to add a new quarterback in 2023 if things go awry with Carson Wentz. As a fifth-round pick, there’s no pressure for Howell to take the starting job at any point. If he manages to supplant Wentz or assume the job due to injury or otherwise, anything after that is gravy.

While Howell becoming the long-term starter is the dream, everyone’s expectation is he becomes a reliable backup. Taylor Heinicke currently has that job on lockdown, but his arm talent pales in comparison to that of the UNC product.

[big2033]

19 minutes ago, oldschool said:

https://riggosrag.com/2022/05/04/3-major-observations-from-commanders-selection-sam-howell/

 

An underrated luxury of Washington drafting Howell?

It gives them the requisite flexibility to add a new quarterback in 2023 if things go awry with Carson Wentz. As a fifth-round pick, there’s no pressure for Howell to take the starting job at any point. If he manages to supplant Wentz or assume the job due to injury or otherwise, anything after that is gravy.

While Howell becoming the long-term starter is the dream, everyone’s expectation is he becomes a reliable backup. Taylor Heinicke currently has that job on lockdown, but his arm talent pales in comparison to that of the UNC product.

 

You think a QB like Willis is meant to be a reliable backup? A QB who you'd have to wrap a whole offense around his skillset similar to Lamar Jackson? 

 

We drafted the wrong guy if that's the plan.

 

This particular QB will go one of two ways with us:

 

BOOM or BUST. We want BOOM.

Edited May 6, 2022 by big2033

[bizzyeddie]

1 hour ago, OILERMAN said:

 

This is way too high depending on your definition of "success".

 

Tannehill has played at a high level, even an MVP level for long stretches since becoming the starter. The idea he's going to "suck" bad enough to get booted is very unlikely. The Titans are going to have one of the best rosters in the league next year. 

 

The notion that a 3rd round QB from Liberty who has shown no ability to play within the structure of an NFL passing offense is going to take over the team in 2023 is beyond a joke. 

 

Likely scenarios after this season:

 

1. Tannehill extension

2. Draft or trade for a new QB

3. See #2 

Well then what's your definition of success?  Otherwise saying 10% is way too high is just a stupid over the top statement.

Tanney has played at a high level for long stretches??   Guess that depends on your definition of long.

 

He's been booted once so doubt it's really unlikely.

 

And Willis has never shown any ability to play within the structure of a NFL offense???.... And him starting next year is beyond a joke???... just stupid over the top statements.

 

Tanney may get extended but it's gonna take good season with good playoff results...maybe not Superbowl or bust but he better show something in the playoffs.  

If they move on from tannehill Willis will absolutely have a chance to start...or they may sign a vet to hold down the job a little longer but it will take success from that guy to keep him off the field...

If the Titans are within reach of another QB in the draft then who knows.

Vrabel IMO wants an athletic type QB that can make things happen when shit breaks down... tannehill is not that guy.

[TheChosenTitan]

2 hours ago, OILERMAN said:

 

This is way too high depending on your definition of "success".

 

Tannehill has played at a high level, even an MVP level for long stretches since becoming the starter. The idea he's going to "suck" bad enough to get booted is very unlikely. The Titans are going to have one of the best rosters in the league next year. 

 

The notion that a 3rd round QB from Liberty who has shown no ability to play within the structure of an NFL passing offense is going to take over the team in 2023 is beyond a joke. 

 

Likely scenarios after this season:

 

1. Tannehill extension

2. Draft or trade for a new QB

3. See #2 

He is not getting extended