Titans looked into trading for Watson and Rodgers

[AvgJoe]

I cannot believe anyone doesn’t understand why the Titans drafted Willis in the 3rd round. The Titans bought a lottery ticket that could go boom or go bust. The beauty is they didn’t use a premium pick in the 1st round and define their regime by Willis. Robinson will look like a genius if Willis develops into a franchise QB. If he doesn’t, he can always draft another. 

Edited May 6, 2022 by AvgJoe

[OzTitan]

16 minutes ago, AvgJoe said:

I cannot believe anyone doesn’t understand why the Titans drafted Willis in the 3rd round. The Titans bought a lottery ticket that could go boom or go bust. The beauty is they didn’t use a premium pick in the 1st round and define their regime by Willis. Robinson will look like a genius if Willis develops into a franchise QB. If he doesn’t, he can always draft another. 

 

That's pretty much how I read most people understanding it? It's obviously a low risk boom potential pick.

[OzTitan]

19 minutes ago, big2033 said:

 

If they'll be picking in the top 10 next year and want a QB it's a waste to draft Ridder. 

 

But they'll likely take a hard look at Ridder to say if they should spend another pick on a QB.

 

But they definitely didn't draft Ridder with that mentality. That's a dumb mentality to have.

 

I think teams have immediate needs. And they grade those needs. You don't know what the future will bring in terms of prospect grades and draft placement. So when you draft, you draft with the plan to draft starters. Especially in the top 3 rounds.

 

No way a team passes up a genuine early graded QB prospect if they have a chance for one because they spent 3rd round capital on a QB a season prior. Even the Texans and Mills who showed a lot last year would have been hard to pass on a QB if there was one worthy of the 3rd pick this year (nevermind the Lions would have taken him 2nd).

Edited May 6, 2022 by OzTitan

[rns90]

23 minutes ago, OzTitan said:

 

No way a team passes up a genuine early graded QB prospect if they have a chance for one because they spent 3rd round capital on a QB a season prior. Even the Texans and Mills who showed a lot last year would have been hard to pass on a QB if there was one worthy of the 3rd pick this year (nevermind the Lions would have taken him 2nd).

Shit, ARZ wasted a 1st on Rosen (traded up to get him too) and still picked Murray #1 the next year.  So there goes that theory.  If they believe that qb can be a franchise guy (and there is no franchise caliber qb on the roster), past draft capital spent is not a factor.

 

Smokes, Welcome to the Vortex.

 

 

[big2033]

43 minutes ago, OzTitan said:

 

No way a team passes up a genuine early graded QB prospect if they have a chance for one because they spent 3rd round capital on a QB a season prior. Even the Texans and Mills who showed a lot last year would have been hard to pass on a QB if there was one worthy of the 3rd pick this year (nevermind the Lions would have taken him 2nd).

 

Sure. But why draft one a year prior? You guys are on one hand guaranteeing they'll draft another in the first later. But with that thought process, why draft one in the third now.

 

Doesn't add up.

 

There's an easy answer here.

Edited May 6, 2022 by big2033

[big2033]

21 minutes ago, rns90 said:

Shit, ARZ wasted a 1st on Rosen (traded up to get him too) and still picked Murray #1 the next year.  So there goes that theory.  If they believe that qb can be a franchise guy (and there is no franchise caliber qb on the roster), past draft capital spent is not a factor.

 

Smokes, Welcome to the Vortex.

 

 

 

This is def. True. But what was the expectation with Rosen before drafting Murray?

 

It's not a vortex ... it's an easy answer here.

Edited May 6, 2022 by big2033

[OzTitan]

6 minutes ago, big2033 said:

 

Sure. But why draft one a year prior? You guys are on one hand guaranteeing they'll draft another in the first later. But with that thought process, why draft one in the third now.

 

Doesn't add up.

 

There's an easy answer here.

 

Why not? if the value is there you take it. It doesn't lock you into anything going forward. There's a huge gap between being capable and being a star, including panning out as a backup, or a special package player like Hill, or being trade bait like Schaub or Jimmy G or Mallet etc. The NFL is littered with teams doing this. In reality it's extremely unlikely such a late QB pick would prove much in his first season anyway, so it makes no impact on whether you spend more capital on a QB a year later.

[big2033]

2 minutes ago, OzTitan said:

 

Why not? if the value is there you take it. It doesn't lock you into anything going forward. There's a huge gap between being capable and being a star, including panning out as a backup, or a special package player like Hill, or being trade bait like Schaub or Jimmy G or Mallet etc. The NFL is littered with teams doing this. In reality it's extremely unlikely such a late QB pick would prove much in his first season anyway, so it makes no impact on whether you spend more capital on a QB a year later.

 

No pick locks you into anything lol. But when you draft a guy ... you draft him with an expectation of that pick to pan out into a starter or more. Especially in the first three rounds.

 

@rns90 just talked about Rosen and acted like this was some revelation. Forgetting the fact that they draft Rosen to be a FRANCHISE FUCKING QB and made their move with that in mind.

 

He was just SO BAD, they decided to move on a year later because their draft position allowed them to.

 

But when they drafted him, they drafted him to be the QB of the future.

Edited May 6, 2022 by big2033

[OzTitan]

Just now, big2033 said:

 

No pick locks you into anything lol. But when you draft a guy ... you draft him with an expectation of that pick to pan out into a starter or more. Especially in the first three rounds.

 

@rns90 just talked about Rosen and acted like this was some revelation. Forgetting the fact that they draft Rosen to be a FRANCHISE FUCKING QB and were made their move with that in mind.

 

He was just SO BAD, they decided to move on a year later because their draft position allowed them to.

 

But when they drafted him, they drafted him to be the QB of the future.

 

A 1st rounder spent on a QB is very different to any other round pick spent on a QB, both contractually, intention wise, and, statistically, success wise. Teams do tend to lock into those at least long enough to rule out a QB in the 1st again the very next draft.

 

The point is spending a 3rd+ round pick on a QB means nothing for your next draft. Whether you hope they become a starter or not when you picked them is irrelevant, if 12 months later you're standing there on draft day with a chance to pick a stud QB prospect, you take him no questions asked and NFL teams undoubtedly would. Unless that 3rd+ rounder happened to break out early and is clearly the team's QB going forward - you don't otherwise based on what you hoped the year prior, lol.

[rns90]

This isn't that hard.  If you don't have a qb, you spend whatever it takes to acquire one.  If you drafted some dude in the third round and either A) he shows nothing or more likely B) another prospect with higher upside/likelyhood of becoming a franchise quarterback becomes available, you move on from it.  The goal is to acquire a franchise qb.  Spending X draft pick, should not preclude you from acquiring someone who has a better chance of becoming one.

 

And before someone brings up Mariota, he fooled enough people into thinking he had traits of a franchise qb, so that's why Quiver Chins passed on Mahomes, Watson (quite wrongly in hindsight).

[big2033]

1 minute ago, OzTitan said:

 

A 1st rounder spent on a QB is very different to any other round pick spent on a QB, both contractually, intention wise, and, statistically, success wise. Teams do tend to lock into those at least long enough to rule out a QB in the 1st again the very next draft.

 

The point is spending a 3rd+ round pick on a QB means nothing for your next draft. Whether you hope they become a starter or not when you picked them is irrelevant, if 12 months later you're standing there on draft day with a chance to pick a stud QB prospect, you take him no questions asked and NFL teams undoubtedly would. Unless that 3rd+ rounder happened to break out early and is clearly the team's QB going forward - you don't otherwise based on what you hoped the year prior, lol.

 

Tell that to @rns90 ... 

 

Teams have changed their stance on this approach by the way it was talked about a lot in the draft. You don't know what drafting any position means to the next draft. And you def. don't draft with the next draft in mind. You draft your needs, and your highest grade. Picks like Ridder etc. will get a chance to show they can be a starter .., or they'll be replaced like every other position.

 

But they weren't draft to be a backup or with a future QB pick in mind. It doesn't make sense.

 

If Ridder doesn't work, and you have a stud to pick ... sure you take him. But the Falcons aren't thinking that far ahead. 

 

They'll see what they have in camp ... Mariota will prob get hurt and they'll see if their QB is their future. That's why he was drafted.

[big2033]

1 minute ago, rns90 said:

This isn't that hard.  If you don't have a qb, you spend whatever it takes to acquire one.  If you drafted some dude in the third round and either A) he shows nothing or more likely B) another prospect with higher upside/likelyhood of becoming a franchise quarterback becomes available, you move on from it.  The goal is to acquire a franchise qb.  Spending X draft pick, should not preclude you from acquiring someone who has a better chance of becoming one.

 

And before someone brings up Mariota, he fooled enough people into thinking he had traits of a franchise qb, so that's why Quiver Chins passed on Mahomes, Watson (quite wrongly in hindsight).

 

Well I'm glad you get it. We drafted a franchise QB ... if he shows nothing, yes we'll move on.

 

But the intent was there.

 

Have a good night.

[OzTitan]

4 minutes ago, big2033 said:

 

Tell that to @rns90 ... 

 

Teams have changed their stance on this approach by the way it was talked about a lot in the draft. You don't know what drafting any position means to the next draft. And you def. don't draft with the next draft in mind. You draft your needs, and your highest grade. Picks like Ridder etc. will get a chance to show they can be a starter .., or they'll be replaced like every other position.

 

But they weren't draft to be a backup or with a future QB pick in mind. It doesn't make sense.

 

If Ridder doesn't work, and you have a stud to pick ... sure you take him. But the Falcons aren't thinking that far ahead. 

 

They'll see what they have in camp ... Mariota will prob get hurt and they'll see if their QB is their future. That's why he was drafted.

 

It's not about whether they don't work out, we're talking a 1 year time gap here until the next time the team may have a shot at a QB. Chances are, we won't know if guys like Willis and Ridder will work out for years. They were drafted for their potential, but that isn't going to stop a team acting if the chance comes up well before that potential may be realized.

 

Like, in a crazy turn of events, the NFL just announced a new supplementary draft will start next week, and for some reason, the Falcons will have the 1st pick. Also through some miracle of science, Arch Manning just aged a few more years and looks like Peyton reincarnate, and declares for this supplementary draft. Do you think the Falcons pass on that having taken Ridder in the 3rd?

[japan]

1 hour ago, AvgJoe said:

I cannot believe anyone doesn’t understand why the Titans drafted Willis in the 3rd round. The Titans bought a lottery ticket that could go boom or go bust. The beauty is they didn’t use a premium pick in the 1st round and define their regime by Willis. Robinson will look like a genius if Willis develops into a franchise QB. If he doesn’t, he can always draft another. 

I think it’s just a handful of dummies now that don’t get it…

[OzTitan]

35 minutes ago, big2033 said:

 

Well I'm glad you get it. We drafted a franchise QB ... if he shows nothing, yes we'll move on.

 

But the intent was there.

 

Have a good night.

 

lol no. JR didn't draft a "franchise QB". If the Titans get a shot at a top QB prospect or FA/trade target before Willis is even on an active gameday roster, they will take it. If Tannehill looks great this season and demands a new contract/commitment before Willis has had a chance to show anything, they will do it. There's no hard and fast definition of what a "franchise QB" is, but that ain't it.

Edited May 6, 2022 by OzTitan