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1 hour ago, cenj said:

I don't care if some of you think it's stupid, I'm one of those who wish we'd move Evans into a pass-rushing role. 

 

That's where he excelled at Bama. He's physically explosive and at best attacking downhill. He's a perfect example of an elite athlete that completely lacks the head for the game. He has no awareness -- this isn't ever going to change. He's had top class coaching for the last decade. Players like this don't ever "get it."

 

Get him out of the middle of the defense and use him in a specialty role until we dump him. 

 

If Evans were the special type of pass rusher that you all are claiming he wouldn't be an ILB

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So a cursory look at his PFF reveals that Collins has been really good against the run (79.8 grade), a stud rushing the passer (82.3 grade) and just awful in coverage (42.8) which I'm sure has somethi

Not the Evans to OLB thing again.......LOL

I don't care what they do with him, just get him out of the starting lineup. 

21 minutes ago, titansfan said:

 

If Evans were the special type of pass rusher that you all are claiming he wouldn't be an ILB

Exactly. He's good at shooting a gap vs guards. Playing the edge against tackles is an entirely different game. He would have already been recognized for it. 

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32 minutes ago, titansfan said:

If Evans were the special type of pass rusher that you all are claiming he wouldn't be an ILB

 

He's undersized to play outside in a 3-4 and not fast enough to rush from the edge with any real effectiveness. 

 

He's probably best suited as a 4-3 weakside OLB.

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3 minutes ago, BudsOilers said:

 

He's undersized to play outside in a 3-4 and not fast enough to rush from the edge with any real effectiveness. 

 

He's probably best suited as a 4-3 weakside OLB.

 

the 4-3 weak OLB needs to be able to pursue the ball. I'm not sure that Evans strong suit. I think he's more of an Akeem Ayers type.

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10 minutes ago, BudsOilers said:

 

He's undersized to play outside in a 3-4 and not fast enough to rush from the edge with any real effectiveness. 

 

He's probably best suited as a 4-3 weakside OLB.

 

3 minutes ago, oldschool said:

 

the 4-3 weak OLB needs to be able to pursue the ball. I'm not sure that Evans strong suit. I think he's more of an Akeem Ayers type.

 

Yep, he'd be your strongside backer in a traditional 4-3.  

 

Both Jayon Brown and David Long would be good weakside LBers in a 4-3 as well. You know what we don't have though? A player that would be a good MLB in a 4-3, and that is our problem imo

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Here we go.  If Evans was a good outside pass rusher, he'd have been playing there instead of Robinson throwing money and picks at those spots.

 

Evans pass rushing has come from being an extra blitzer or in a couple of cases lining up inside along a 3 man front.

 

He's not an edge pass rusher at the NFL level.

 

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1 minute ago, tgo said:

 

Yep, he'd be your strongside backer in a traditional 4-3.  

 

Both Jayon Brown and David Long would be good weakside LBers in a 4-3 as well. You know what we don't have though? A player that would be a good MLB in a 4-3, and that is our problem imo

 

I think he's undersized for strong side.  He's 232 lbs,  Most strong side LB's are bigger as they take on lead blockers.

 

Regardless, he's not a great fit for a 3-4

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3 hours ago, tgo said:

 

The issue is that if either Long or Brown get put into that SILB position, neither of them will succeed in taking on guards or playing short yardage run defense. The alternative on our team to Evans would be Rice, with Long and Brown playing different roles. 

 

3 hours ago, oldschool said:

 

Long and Brown play the same position. It's okay to play both in certain situations but that won't hold up over a whole season.

Long can play that position as well or better than Evans and they play a ton of nickel.  They'll be fine if Brown can get healthy.  

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It's just not true that Evans is too undersized to be a pass rush specialist. Hasson Reddick is similarly sized and has been killing it in Carolina this season. Reddick was also a player that coaches spent his entire rookie contract trying to convert into a traditional LB. How did the coaches miss on him so badly? They never miscast players, right?

 

I'm not saying Evans is some phenomenal pass rusher in hiding -- I assume he's probably too football-dumb to be great anywhere. But he did his damage in college as a pass-rusher primarily, and was moved around. He's failed miserably as an ILB in a 3-4. Square peg, round hole.

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6 minutes ago, BudsOilers said:

 

I think he's undersized for strong side.  He's 232 lbs,  Most strong side LB's are bigger as they take on lead blockers.

 

Regardless, he's not a great fit for a 3-4


Evans is more like 240 I think, regardless of his listed size on various outlets. But he has zero instincts, bad technique, bad football acumen. 

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3 hours ago, cshumak2 said:

Not sure how Collins can be considered overpriced.  I am guessing he'll sign for the vet minimum since Detroit is still paying him a hefty amount.  

Right. If we sign him, Collins would likely make less than Evans is currently making as a 1st round pick. 

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29 minutes ago, cenj said:

It's just not true that Evans is too undersized to be a pass rush specialist. Hasson Reddick is similarly sized and has been killing it in Carolina this season. Reddick was also a player that coaches spent his entire rookie contract trying to convert into a traditional LB. How did the coaches miss on him so badly? They never miscast players, right?


The Hasson Riddick example is exactly who I was thinking of. At this point, given Evans’ performance so far, playing him as a pass rusher in spells is a reasonable idea. At least the current undersized guys can catch a break and not wear down so quickly.
 

Evans isn’t going to be here next year and is unlikely to suddenly start playing better so salvage whatever you can. Upside: if shows anything more in the role, the comp pick will be better, too.

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