titansfan Posted September 29, 2021 Report Share Posted September 29, 2021 1 hour ago, cenj said: I don't care if some of you think it's stupid, I'm one of those who wish we'd move Evans into a pass-rushing role. That's where he excelled at Bama. He's physically explosive and at best attacking downhill. He's a perfect example of an elite athlete that completely lacks the head for the game. He has no awareness -- this isn't ever going to change. He's had top class coaching for the last decade. Players like this don't ever "get it." Get him out of the middle of the defense and use him in a specialty role until we dump him. If Evans were the special type of pass rusher that you all are claiming he wouldn't be an ILB japan, SleepingTitan, BudsOilers, and 1 other 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepingTitan Posted September 29, 2021 Report Share Posted September 29, 2021 21 minutes ago, titansfan said: If Evans were the special type of pass rusher that you all are claiming he wouldn't be an ILB Exactly. He's good at shooting a gap vs guards. Playing the edge against tackles is an entirely different game. He would have already been recognized for it. Justafan, and Mythos27 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudsOilers Posted September 29, 2021 Report Share Posted September 29, 2021 32 minutes ago, titansfan said: If Evans were the special type of pass rusher that you all are claiming he wouldn't be an ILB He's undersized to play outside in a 3-4 and not fast enough to rush from the edge with any real effectiveness. He's probably best suited as a 4-3 weakside OLB. oldschool, SleepingTitan, Justafan, and 1 other 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanruss Posted September 29, 2021 Report Share Posted September 29, 2021 38 minutes ago, titansfan said: If Evans were the special type of pass rusher that you all are claiming he wouldn't be an ILB He's never been given the opportunity in the pros... How would they know? Justafan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted September 29, 2021 Report Share Posted September 29, 2021 3 minutes ago, BudsOilers said: He's undersized to play outside in a 3-4 and not fast enough to rush from the edge with any real effectiveness. He's probably best suited as a 4-3 weakside OLB. the 4-3 weak OLB needs to be able to pursue the ball. I'm not sure that Evans strong suit. I think he's more of an Akeem Ayers type. Mythos27, and titanskick8851 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgo Posted September 29, 2021 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, BudsOilers said: He's undersized to play outside in a 3-4 and not fast enough to rush from the edge with any real effectiveness. He's probably best suited as a 4-3 weakside OLB. 3 minutes ago, oldschool said: the 4-3 weak OLB needs to be able to pursue the ball. I'm not sure that Evans strong suit. I think he's more of an Akeem Ayers type. Yep, he'd be your strongside backer in a traditional 4-3. Both Jayon Brown and David Long would be good weakside LBers in a 4-3 as well. You know what we don't have though? A player that would be a good MLB in a 4-3, and that is our problem imo. Edited September 29, 2021 by tgo VanCityTitan, oldschool, and titanskick8851 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudsOilers Posted September 29, 2021 Report Share Posted September 29, 2021 Here we go. If Evans was a good outside pass rusher, he'd have been playing there instead of Robinson throwing money and picks at those spots. Evans pass rushing has come from being an extra blitzer or in a couple of cases lining up inside along a 3 man front. He's not an edge pass rusher at the NFL level. Justafan, and japan 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudsOilers Posted September 29, 2021 Report Share Posted September 29, 2021 1 minute ago, tgo said: Yep, he'd be your strongside backer in a traditional 4-3. Both Jayon Brown and David Long would be good weakside LBers in a 4-3 as well. You know what we don't have though? A player that would be a good MLB in a 4-3, and that is our problem imo. I think he's undersized for strong side. He's 232 lbs, Most strong side LB's are bigger as they take on lead blockers. Regardless, he's not a great fit for a 3-4 Justafan, and titanskick8851 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted September 29, 2021 Report Share Posted September 29, 2021 3 hours ago, tgo said: The issue is that if either Long or Brown get put into that SILB position, neither of them will succeed in taking on guards or playing short yardage run defense. The alternative on our team to Evans would be Rice, with Long and Brown playing different roles. 3 hours ago, oldschool said: Long and Brown play the same position. It's okay to play both in certain situations but that won't hold up over a whole season. Long can play that position as well or better than Evans and they play a ton of nickel. They'll be fine if Brown can get healthy. titanskick8851 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cenj Posted September 29, 2021 Report Share Posted September 29, 2021 It's just not true that Evans is too undersized to be a pass rush specialist. Hasson Reddick is similarly sized and has been killing it in Carolina this season. Reddick was also a player that coaches spent his entire rookie contract trying to convert into a traditional LB. How did the coaches miss on him so badly? They never miscast players, right? I'm not saying Evans is some phenomenal pass rusher in hiding -- I assume he's probably too football-dumb to be great anywhere. But he did his damage in college as a pass-rusher primarily, and was moved around. He's failed miserably as an ILB in a 3-4. Square peg, round hole. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgo Posted September 29, 2021 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2021 6 minutes ago, BudsOilers said: I think he's undersized for strong side. He's 232 lbs, Most strong side LB's are bigger as they take on lead blockers. Regardless, he's not a great fit for a 3-4 Evans is more like 240 I think, regardless of his listed size on various outlets. But he has zero instincts, bad technique, bad football acumen. Mythos27, oldschool, and titanskick8851 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
10 A See Posted September 29, 2021 Report Share Posted September 29, 2021 He's played outside in pass rush situations lots of times but he's never impacted a play from there or even looked like he belonged there. I watched him a lot at bama and never thought he would be a great pass rusher in the pros. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted September 29, 2021 Report Share Posted September 29, 2021 3 hours ago, cshumak2 said: Not sure how Collins can be considered overpriced. I am guessing he'll sign for the vet minimum since Detroit is still paying him a hefty amount. Right. If we sign him, Collins would likely make less than Evans is currently making as a 1st round pick. tgo 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
begooode Posted September 29, 2021 Report Share Posted September 29, 2021 (edited) 29 minutes ago, cenj said: It's just not true that Evans is too undersized to be a pass rush specialist. Hasson Reddick is similarly sized and has been killing it in Carolina this season. Reddick was also a player that coaches spent his entire rookie contract trying to convert into a traditional LB. How did the coaches miss on him so badly? They never miscast players, right? The Hasson Riddick example is exactly who I was thinking of. At this point, given Evans’ performance so far, playing him as a pass rusher in spells is a reasonable idea. At least the current undersized guys can catch a break and not wear down so quickly. Evans isn’t going to be here next year and is unlikely to suddenly start playing better so salvage whatever you can. Upside: if shows anything more in the role, the comp pick will be better, too. Edited September 29, 2021 by begooode Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepingTitan Posted September 29, 2021 Report Share Posted September 29, 2021 Bottom line is that he should be a package not 3 down player, which means we overpaid. Maybe he gives us a discount, worst case we get a comp. Any word on Rice's development? Has he even had any snaps? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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