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1 hour ago, BudsOilers said:

 

The problems on offense we saw on Sunday mirrored the problems we saw with the offense when Arthur Smith called plays.  It's a bad trend when they face good defenses. 

 

In fairness the Titans haven't just rolled on offense against bad defenses exclusively, but it's clear that if you can out do the Titans OL on physicality then everything falls apart and they have zero answers or even a desire to adjust. The team operates like it has an all time great OL with an elite defense.

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ironically, the worst thing that happened to them was winning the two playoff games running Henry 30 sometimes a game where he had monster games. And while that will work at times and especially again

If you go back to last year and look at the decent teams the Titans have played they have been outcoached and blown off the field.    Their last 4 games against quality teams were the Browns

You started a thread to extend him just recently. You keep trying to have a foot on both sides of that fence and you're gonna hurt yourself.

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12 minutes ago, Mythos27 said:

I mean, his point is that Tannehill has had even more success without play action than he has with it. This very directly refutes the entire basis of your arguments. You'll have to do a little more than to pretend it's irrelevant to toss that very pointed rebuttal aside.

Success as throw more tds without PA? I mean you do know PA plays dont get called often, right? So saying he has more success without PA is not saying much, what's saying alot is that he needs PA for his skillset to egnite, also the run game, he is a QB that needs the scheme to start working for his skillset to thrive and work. We were the highest PA team last year, and we only called 12 PA plays each game, thats why that stat is irrelevant. Let's build a scheme were we ask Tannehill to drop back and pick the defense a part..... see if that translates to success, it won't because he is incapable of doing that, wich is fine and dandy thats why he isnt asked to do that much. 

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14 minutes ago, unauthorizedcinnamon said:

Success as throw more tds without PA? I mean you do know PA plays dont get called often, right? So saying he has more success without PA is not saying much, what's saying alot is that he needs PA for his skillset to egnite, also the run game, he is a QB that needs the scheme to start working for his skillset to thrive and work. We were the highest PA team last year, and we only called 12 PA plays each game, thats why that stat is irrelevant. Let's build a scheme were we ask Tannehill to drop back and pick the defense a part..... see if that translates to success, it won't because he is incapable of doing that, wich is fine and dandy thats why he isnt asked to do that much. 

 

How exactly is being asked to run a PA heavy offense a negative for a QB, or not being "asked to do much"? It isn't some cheat code or anything, you still need to be accurate, make the right reads, get the ball out quickly on all the downs you aren't running a PA (which, like you said, is most of the time). It's 2021, most offenses and QBs exist within frameworks more sophisticated than "drop back and toss it up".

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1 hour ago, Mythos27 said:

I only got through the first half and I already charted 7 plays where the OL gave Tannehill time and he either got sacked, checked it down, or had to run it himself because no one was open. It was definitely a problem.

 

What plays? I just watched the first 9 Titans off series and aside from the issues early on in 12 and 21, Tannehill moved the ball with ease in 11 unless it was 3rd and long.

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14 minutes ago, OzTitan said:

 

How exactly is being asked to run a PA heavy offense a negative for a QB, or not being "asked to do much"? It isn't some cheat code or anything, you still need to be accurate, make the right reads, get the ball out quickly on all the downs you aren't running a PA (which, like you said, is most of the time). It's 2021, most offenses and QBs exist within frameworks more sophisticated than "drop back and toss it up".

 

 

The P/A def makes the QBs job easier but to an extent. The intended benefit is that linebackers/safeties might move in to try and tackle the running back because they think they saw a handoff and are ready to defend the run. If they get fooled, it means coverage behind them is weaker and there's a good chance a receiver is much more open wich is easier for the QB to identify. But thats just one example. I used "not asked to do much" evidence by Henry being on the backfield and not opening the playbook because simply coaches dont trust guys like tannehill to drop back and lift the team to victories by his arm, he was never capable of that, why would he be now? Wich is why his volume shows us that he isn't asked much on offense.

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BTW, Derrick Henry is so overrated concerning the offensive success it's not even funny

 

That's not to say he's not really good as a 2 down RB. He's awesome. He's awesome as long as he has really good blocking and can get clean to the 2nd level. Notice no one is complaining about his game Sunday? Because the OL played poorly. Which is factually true. But also notice people don't say the OL blocked for 2k last season!

 

If you had a different RB you'd lose the long runs, which are not that many in the grand scheme but otherwise the offense would be OK. 

 

The facts are a two down RB is just not that important in today's NFL, no matter how good he is. 

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16 minutes ago, OILERMAN said:

My God there is some dense pea brain arguments being made in the thread. 

 

Just throw the ball more on 1st down, balance it more. Teams are exploiting the fact they run it so much on 1st down. 

 

They don't have to change a lot or get new players, it's a simple fucking adjustment with huge dividends

 

What does it tell you about Vrabel that he won't make such a simple adjustment.

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Just now, AussieTitanFan08 said:

 

What does it tell you about Vrabel that he won't make such a simply adjustment.

 

Stubborn meathead and the run/pass ratio @BudsOilers posted in the Saints game without Henry was disturbing 

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11 minutes ago, OILERMAN said:

BTW, Derrick Henry is so overrated concerning the offensive success it's not even funny

 

That's not to say he's not really good as a 2 down RB. He's awesome. He's awesome as long as he has really good blocking and can get clean to the 2nd level. Notice no one is complaining about his game Sunday? Because the OL played poorly. Which is factually true. But also notice people don't say the OL blocked for 2k last season!

 

If you had a different RB you'd lose the long runs, which are not that many in the grand scheme but otherwise the offense would be OK. 

 

The facts are a two down RB is just not that important in today's NFL, no matter how good he is. 

 

In Henry's defense, he took good blocking and made it 2K due to that HOF grade 2nd level ability. Most other backs take that blocking and have a great but not phenomenal season, although I believe a few backs in the NFL right now would have had a similar 2K season last year on the Titans with the same touches, health afforded.

 

It 100% conceivable you could replace Henry's touches with a committee of good backs and you could expect similar overall results on offense. Like ~2K rushing yards from a committee totaling similar touches is no unheard of. Substitute less home runs with more passing game involvement from the backs perhaps. What Henry is doing as an individual is amazing but he isn't necessarily the best configuration for a team's rushing attack. Henry doesn't have exclusivity on defenses fearing run games - yes he's a meme factory and no defender wants to be Josh Norman'd, but this is just fan stuff. Actual defenders and defenses fear rushing attacks and the Titans didn't actually have the league's best rushing attack last season.

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5 hours ago, Number9 said:

The staff isn't garbage.  I'm amazed at the turnaround of the board.  

 

All Summer, We are going to the Super Bowl!!  Vrabel and JRob are the best!

After first game, FIRE THE DAMN COACH AND THE GD GM!!

 

I'm waiting until they play the Colts to have some kind of idea what the offense and defense will look like.  Last year, they barely beat Denver.  They came home and barely beat Jacksonville.  

 

The 2021 schedule is different, 17 games.  Vrabel is not the best coach in the league, but occasionally he looks pretty smart. He is learning how to pace his teams.  He gave then a relaxed preseason.  Julio didn't even put on a practice uni until the last week, you saw who caught the heat after game one.

 

I'm not saying they can't play with Arizona, I just think for some reason they didn't understand the dynamics of the game.  It was a must win for Arizona.  They had planned all summer for the Titans and they are a lot better than people give them credit for being.

 

I agree with you about the majority of the board deep-throating JRob and Vrabel all off-season, but that wasn't me.  Maybe you don't remember, but I was the one many on here were attacking because I said we weren't a good team last year, just lucky.  I also said there is no way that luck continues this year, and we'll have a harder schedule, and the same idiot staff.  

 

The staff IS garbage.  You and others like to claim LaFluer and Smith are now HC's and that shows Vrabel is smart...except neither were Vrabel guys.  Bowen is Vrabel's butt-buddy and I wouldn't trust him to call a defense in Madden, even if I was up 40 on Jacksonville.  Downing is just hoping and praying that the offensive talent can make him look competent, despite being an inept play-caller running an inept scheme.    Special teams...really?  Talk about a laughing-stock.  Can we imagine what the punting situation would be if Kern hadn't already been here when these morons took over?  

 

As far as Arizona, how the fuck was it a must win for them?  We aren't even in the same conference.  They planned all off-season to beat the one-and-done Titans?  The Titans required a hail-marry to AJ and a doinked in FG to win the division against the 3rd worst team in the league?  I doubt it...more likely they planned on playing Seattle and LA and SF since all of those teams actually matter, and all are better than the Titans right now.  

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3 hours ago, Mythos27 said:

I'm confused by this. If your run fails to gain a yard or loses yardage that's definitely a huge failure. Maybe no "incomplete run" stat exists but if there were a failed first down run stat we'd lead her league. 

 

It's a failure like a pass that goes nowhere is a failure. But completing a pass is harder than completing a run. You run because it's the safest way to get an average of 3-5 yards. Passes are not as safe but yield much better results.

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6 hours ago, big2033 said:

 

Maybe. But we have a two-down back that we want to feed as much as possible. 

He’s only a 2 down back because that’s how they use him. @nineand I have discussed this for years now. He runs all the routes a regular running back does and is decent in pass protection.
 

The reason he is a 2 down back at this point is because of the coaches, nothing else. If you think differently name something McNichols actually adds on 3rd downs. In the Ravens playoff game they were taking him out on 3rd and short. Tell me how that makes any sense whatsoever. 

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43 minutes ago, IowaOiler said:

 

I agree with you about the majority of the board deep-throating JRob and Vrabel all off-season, but that wasn't me.  Maybe you don't remember, but I was the one many on here were attacking because I said we weren't a good team last year, just lucky.  I also said there is no way that luck continues this year, and we'll have a harder schedule, and the same idiot staff.  

 

The staff IS garbage.  You and others like to claim LaFluer and Smith are now HC's and that shows Vrabel is smart...except neither were Vrabel guys.  Bowen is Vrabel's butt-buddy and I wouldn't trust him to call a defense in Madden, even if I was up 40 on Jacksonville.  Downing is just hoping and praying that the offensive talent can make him look competent, despite being an inept play-caller running an inept scheme.    Special teams...really?  Talk about a laughing-stock.  Can we imagine what the punting situation would be if Kern hadn't already been here when these morons took over?  

 

As far as Arizona, how the fuck was it a must win for them?  We aren't even in the same conference.  They planned all off-season to beat the one-and-done Titans?  The Titans required a hail-marry to AJ and a doinked in FG to win the division against the 3rd worst team in the league?  I doubt it...more likely they planned on playing Seattle and LA and SF since all of those teams actually matter, and all are better than the Titans right now.  

Oh my lord. :(   I am not saying anything except the Cardinals are in a division where wins don’t come easy. The Titans are in  a weak division. Must win. 
 

The rest?  I ain’t touching!

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2 hours ago, OILERMAN said:

BTW, Derrick Henry is so overrated concerning the offensive success it's not even funny

 

That's not to say he's not really good as a 2 down RB. He's awesome. He's awesome as long as he has really good blocking and can get clean to the 2nd level. Notice no one is complaining about his game Sunday? Because the OL played poorly. Which is factually true. But also notice people don't say the OL blocked for 2k last season!

 

If you had a different RB you'd lose the long runs, which are not that many in the grand scheme but otherwise the offense would be OK. 

 

The facts are a two down RB is just not that important in today's NFL, no matter how good he is. 

 

You definitely shouldn't support resigning this GM and head coach, then. You should be crowing about how they're wasting Tannehill and they should be fired.

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