oldschool Posted September 17, 2021 Report Share Posted September 17, 2021 9 minutes ago, tgo said: Yes but this OL is a run OL, it’s built for the zone run not for the pass game - so the scheme has to mitigate this inherently. And I’m not disparaging Tannehill at all - I’m a Tannehill guy. I’m just saying if that LT gets beat (which is going to happen with a hobbled Lewan), and Tannehill is back there looking down field - odds are it’s going to be a strip. Which makes it even more important to have favorable down and distance. True. I actually think Jrob has ignored pass protection a little to much in effort to put together a dominant run blocking OL. cenj 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgo Posted September 17, 2021 Report Share Posted September 17, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, oldschool said: True. I actually think Jrob has ignored pass protection a little to much in effort to put together a dominant run blocking OL. I think ideally, you’d want a more balanced line for sure personnel wise. But hey he wanted that 2k rusher and got it haha. I bet if he had a generational QB who was seasoned a few years, he’d build differently though. Tannehill is a top 10 guy of course, maybe top 7, but he’s not at that next level. Edited September 17, 2021 by tgo Number9, and oldschool 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted September 17, 2021 Report Share Posted September 17, 2021 4 minutes ago, tgo said: I think ideally, you’d want a more balanced line for sure personnel wise. But hey he wanted that 2k rusher and got it haha. I bet if he had a generational QB who was seasoned a few years, he’d build differently though. Tannehill is a top 10 guy of course, maybe top 7, but he’s not at that next level. Top 7 for sure based on the last 2 years of play when compared to his counterparts. Of course many want to give credit to Henry and Smith for Tannehill's play but its the other way around. I don't think you need to have a generational QB to put a little more focus on the pass blocking than what jrob has done either. tgo 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted September 17, 2021 Report Share Posted September 17, 2021 39 minutes ago, tgo said: Yeah I think we’re forgetting that the Titans have had a top tier offense since Tannehill took over for a reason though. And overall the biggest reason Tannehill has had more success here vs various offenses in Miami is that he has a run game to lean on and has often been in favorable situations overall, even if what you guys are outlining has happened from time to time. Tannehill has a real blind spot to blind side pressure and gets strip sacked whenever the LT gets beat. That’s his single biggest weakness as a passer. Whatever needs to be done to mitigate this I’m all for, including more favorable 3rd down situations. We need to run more screens and slants, this OL cannot hold up in a traditional drop back game, esp in third and long. Tannehill definitely needs to be a little more lively in the pocket. He's gets to his drop and then his feet just completely stop. He doesn't need to be like Murray or Wilson but there were some opportunities for him to at least climb into the pocket and buy himself an extra second or two and he either didn't do it at all or tried too late. tgo, pat, and oldschool 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post cenj Posted September 17, 2021 Popular Post Report Share Posted September 17, 2021 This thread makes me want to stab my own eyes out. It seems like the general consensus gets basic math and situational playcalling, while a handful of other posters are just goddamn morons. In my view, if you want to still be focused on Henry and the run game, then just be heavier on the 2nd half. 1st half should be more balanced -- why the hell do we have so much tied into our WRs and OL if you can't make basic throws? We're making it way harder on the players. Our OL isn't great as pass blocking, so make the defense guess when it's a passing play. Making the play predictable just puts those guys in positions to fail. Once the defense is worn out, hammer Henry. He's great as a finisher. I don't buy the idea that he needs 35 carries a game to be effective. The defense is likely to get more tired out if they are on the field more, so quick 3-and-outs don't help that philosophy. We have to generate more 1st downs. StephenIsLegend, OILERMAN, rns90, and 4 others 6 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenIsLegend Posted September 17, 2021 Report Share Posted September 17, 2021 2 hours ago, cenj said: This thread makes me want to stab my own eyes out. It seems like the general consensus gets basic math and situational playcalling, while a handful of other posters are just goddamn morons. In my view, if you want to still be focused on Henry and the run game, then just be heavier on the 2nd half. 1st half should be more balanced -- why the hell do we have so much tied into our WRs and OL if you can't make basic throws? We're making it way harder on the players. Our OL isn't great as pass blocking, so make the defense guess when it's a passing play. Making the play predictable just puts those guys in positions to fail. Once the defense is worn out, hammer Henry. He's great as a finisher. I don't buy the idea that he needs 35 carries a game to be effective. The defense is likely to get more tired out if they are on the field more, so quick 3-and-outs don't help that philosophy. We have to generate more 1st downs. This. 100%. As others have pointed out as well, if you use him more in a “closer” role, those big runs will probably pop more frequently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted September 17, 2021 Report Share Posted September 17, 2021 1 hour ago, StephenIsLegend said: This. 100%. As others have pointed out as well, if you use him more in a “closer” role, those big runs will probably pop more frequently. It would also help protect a suspect defense by getting the lead more often early in games. One of the things we gloss over some times is that to win with the current style of run-run-pass, you typically need a stellar defense and kicking game. the Titans have neither. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post IsntLifeFunny Posted September 17, 2021 Popular Post Report Share Posted September 17, 2021 35 minutes ago, oldschool said: It would also help protect a suspect defense by getting the lead more often early in games. One of the things we gloss over some times is that to win with the current style of run-run-pass, you typically need a stellar defense and kicking game. the Titans have neither. It’s strange to me because in all of our best games under Vrabel with Tannehill as starter we have come out aggressive throwing the ball. Last year our best games the entire season were the Buffalo and second Indy games. We came out extremely aggressive, built a lead, made their offense one dimensional and then closed with Henry. Our worst games we did the opposite (I won’t count GB as playing in the frozen Tundra is tricky no matter what), but even in the games we squeaked by against lesser opponents the formula was the opposite. The same held true in 19. When we passed early we would generally get leads and then Henry gets rolling and we close teams out. When the opposite happens because of our leaky defense it takes away a ton from our bread and butter with PA. As we’ve continued to say, no one is asking Vrabel to start throwing 45-50 times a game. It isn’t our identity. Correct first down percentages and come out aggressive in the first half. It’s been a tried and true method we win with, and it’s been the only method we’ve used beating good teams. rns90, Mythos27, EatADaK, and 3 others 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted September 17, 2021 Report Share Posted September 17, 2021 7 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said: It’s strange to me because in all of our best games under Vrabel with Tannehill as starter we have come out aggressive throwing the ball. Last year our best games the entire season were the Buffalo and second Indy games. We came out extremely aggressive, built a lead, made their offense one dimensional and then closed with Henry. Our worst games we did the opposite (I won’t count GB as playing in the frozen Tundra is tricky no matter what), but even in the games we squeaked by against lesser opponents the formula was the opposite. The same held true in 19. When we passed early we would generally get leads and then Henry gets rolling and we close teams out. When the opposite happens because of our leaky defense it takes away a ton from our bread and butter with PA. As we’ve continued to say, no one is asking Vrabel to start throwing 45-50 times a game. It isn’t our identity. Correct first down percentages and come out aggressive in the first half. It’s been a tried and true method we win with, and it’s been the only method we’ve used beating good teams. I thought the Bills game last year would be a turning point. sadly I was wrong. Mythos27, rns90, StephenIsLegend, and 1 other 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted September 17, 2021 Report Share Posted September 17, 2021 12 minutes ago, oldschool said: I thought the Bills game last year would be a turning point. sadly I was wrong. Also hilarious watching people say Tannehill is dependent on PA when you think about the Pit and Cleveland games last year. I understand their defense backed off in the second half, but Tannehill diced them up with zero running game or PA all while their line knew what was coming. Cleveland was never really that close, but the offense exploded without any PA. It’s such a shit narrative. Mythos27 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rns90 Posted September 17, 2021 Report Share Posted September 17, 2021 21 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said: It’s strange to me because in all of our best games under Vrabel with Tannehill as starter we have come out aggressive throwing the ball. Last year our best games the entire season were the Buffalo and second Indy games. We came out extremely aggressive, built a lead, made their offense one dimensional and then closed with Henry. That's the thing. He has shown in spurts that he has no issue with the offense coming out aggressive. But then at some point he just goes back to the Henry ground and pound offense. It's maddening. Mythos27, IsntLifeFunny, and OILERMAN 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number9 Posted January 10, 2022 Report Share Posted January 10, 2022 On 9/14/2021 at 4:50 AM, Number9 said: I subscribe to the this is just the first game philosophy. Also, this isn't a supremely talented roster. The Titans are in the fifth year of the Mariota run. The team has started to lose developed players because the money is running out. The problems in the passing game Sunday wouldn't have looked so bad if Davis and Jonnu were out there. Look at all the ones who group up and call other posters "retards morons idiots" They are all agreeing again. You notice who interjects some sanity. No one here is way smarter than anybody else. No group, no matter how they band together, agree and attack others is always right. Tranny putting the finger up now What's wrong with that queer (*) oldschool, titanruss, XAEA12, and 1 other 1 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted January 10, 2022 Report Share Posted January 10, 2022 wrong as usual! Let me help you @Number9... The concerns noted in this thread had nothing to do with the 1st game of the season against the Cards in isolation. It had everything to do with the perpetuation of being too heavy in 1st down runs and being overly conservative. Both are reasons why the Titans went home early in 2020 against the Ravens and its been issue throughout Vrabel's tenure. It very well could cost them in a few weeks too. But don't let the fact get in the way of a bad necro attempt. Mythos27 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudsOilers Posted January 10, 2022 Report Share Posted January 10, 2022 11 minutes ago, Number9 said: Look at all the ones who group up and call other posters "retards morons idiots" They are all agreeing again. You notice who interjects some sanity. No one here is way smarter than anybody else. No group, no matter how they band together, agree and attack others is always right. Tranny putting the finger up now What's wrong with that queer (*) I guarantee there are many people on here smarter than you. A lot smarter.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number9 Posted January 10, 2022 Report Share Posted January 10, 2022 1 minute ago, oldschool said: wrong as usual! Let me help you @Number9... The concerns noted in this thread had nothing to do with the 1st game of the season against the Cards in isolation. It had everything to do with the perpetuation of being too heavy in 1st down runs and being overly conservative. Both are reasons why the Titans went home early in 2020 against the Ravens and its been issue throughout Vrabel's tenure. It very well could cost them in a few weeks too. But don't let the fact get in the way of a bad necro attempt. Boy, you sure can write sentences good! 3 minutes ago, oldschool said: It had everything to do with the perpetuation of being too heavy in 1st down runs and being overly conservative. The Titans went 12-5 doing what you claim you were talking about. I look deeper into things. I take my time before deciding to jump all out there running down who is now the dark horse for COY. I watch with a hopeful eye. You watch with a critical eye. You think Vrabel doesn't know the Titans percentage of runs on 1st down? I actually think he, the OC and the rest of the staff know very well their run/pass ratios. The difference between them and you is they understand why they are doing it. The OC and the DC and the HC T-H-I-N-K before they design their game plans. Just saying. No one is always right. No one is always wrong. I hope you agree and learn to use your own mind to figure things out. Don't just jump behind the biggest group. Think. Here comes the Tranny (*) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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