tgo Posted May 21, 2021 Report Share Posted May 21, 2021 (edited) This is the big piece of legislation that is going to the consume the policy debate over the coming months, so making a thread for it. Personally, I think any new legislation needs to be fully paid for, and I think most agree - so the questions are the pay-for methods, defining what is infrastructure, and the overall price tag. Update: Edited November 6, 2021 by tgo Justafan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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tgo Posted May 21, 2021 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2021 (edited) I think what this process is really more about is appeasing Manchin and Sinema and exhausting the bipartisan negotiation process, but working in good faith. Then and only then can you get their votes on a watered down proposal. It also allows the party and administration to say they made all these concessions and pass a smaller bill without publicly blaming Manchin/Sinema for watering it down, which they would have done anyway. Even though you're giving up concessions, it is the wise political approach, as it also allows the WH to look like they are working in a bipartisan manner for appearances and voters like that. And it gives you a counter to the "big spending socialist agenda" narrative from the right along with allowing Dems to draw a line in the sand and say "we're not making the little guy pay for this, we're for the little guy, we're gonna make Bezos pay for it!" Edited May 21, 2021 by tgo Starkiller, and reo 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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reo Posted May 22, 2021 Report Share Posted May 22, 2021 I support trying but I seriously doubt the GOP agrees to anything and in the end the Dems will probably have to go it alone to pass anything. The GOP is about stalling and blocking anything Dems want to do so they either look like they can't do anything ot they go it alone and get called far left socialists bc they didn't get GOP support. Starkiller 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted May 22, 2021 Report Share Posted May 22, 2021 It’s literally pointless to negotiate with Republicans at this point. In terms of political calculus I’m not sure it’s worth it anymore. These fucks are about to vote down investigating Jan 6th. Turning off people of color and progressives at the hope for what exactly? Fuck ‘em. Once they vote down the bipartisan investigation Biden needs to tell Republicans to get bent. Number9 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted May 22, 2021 Report Share Posted May 22, 2021 22 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said: It’s literally pointless to negotiate with Republicans at this point. In terms of political calculus I’m not sure it’s worth it anymore. These fucks are about to vote down investigating Jan 6th. Turning off people of color and progressives at the hope for what exactly? Fuck ‘em. Once they vote down the bipartisan investigation Biden needs to tell Republicans to get bent. “Negotiation” is all for show and has been for years. Everyone knows the GOP literally campaigns on refusing to negotiate with Democrats. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rogue Posted May 22, 2021 Popular Post Report Share Posted May 22, 2021 Republicans aren't voting for anything that will give Democrats a win. This needs to be understood. End the filibuster and go back to the founders intent. A simple majority. Let the policies speak for themselves. If they fail, then hey, votes will go the other way. So make good policy decisions. Why's this an issue? oldschool, OILERMAN, IsntLifeFunny, and 2 others 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Titans279 Posted May 23, 2021 Report Share Posted May 23, 2021 I guess I hope that the bipartisan dealings fail! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titans279 Posted May 25, 2021 Report Share Posted May 25, 2021 lol oldschool 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvyablue256 Posted May 25, 2021 Report Share Posted May 25, 2021 (edited) On 5/21/2021 at 8:54 PM, IsntLifeFunny said: It’s literally pointless to negotiate with Republicans at this point. In terms of political calculus I’m not sure it’s worth it anymore. These fucks are about to vote down investigating Jan 6th. Turning off people of color and progressives at the hope for what exactly? Fuck ‘em. Once they vote down the bipartisan investigation Biden needs to tell Republicans to get bent. Democrats have too big of a tent to just default to going alone on everything. They have to "try" bipartisanship then go alone when it fails. Plus it's good campaign meat for 2022. A couple good reads on this https://www.palmerreport.com/analysis/we-told-you-this-was-the-game-joe-manchin-was-playing/39117/ https://www.palmerreport.com/analysis/chuck-schumer-is-playing-this-exactly-right/39120/ Edited May 25, 2021 by luvyablue256 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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