Titans279 Posted July 30, 2021 Report Share Posted July 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, luvyablue256 said: Schumer has the votes on 3.5T. LMAO! I told you all Sinema was just fooling the GOP so they could have the votes on the BP package! #GetBentDoomers https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2021/07/29/schumer-infrastructure-spending-bill-votes-501554?__twitter_impression=true ? This is the same thing was we already knew based on what she said. She will vote to start the process but wants a lower than 3.5T final bill. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvyablue256 Posted July 30, 2021 Report Share Posted July 30, 2021 11 minutes ago, Titans279 said: ? This is the same thing was we already knew based on what she said. She will vote to start the process but wants a lower than 3.5T final bill. Yeah I edited after reading the full article LOL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Starkiller Posted July 30, 2021 Report Share Posted July 30, 2021 (edited) 14 minutes ago, luvyablue256 said: The whole “bipartisan bill” is a fraud intended to pacify idiots like Manchin and Sinema. And in return, they will now double down harder on the idea that we don’t need to reform the filibuster because bipartisanship is possible. Edited July 30, 2021 by Starkiller Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titans279 Posted July 30, 2021 Report Share Posted July 30, 2021 26 minutes ago, luvyablue256 said: I'm not really sure what a person who liked the original bill is supposed to think though. I wish the real bill had passed too because it would be a better bill from my perspective. Unless Sinema and Co. are actually as conservative as Republicans the bill could have been better if just done through reconciliation even if it would have had to be cut down from the original proposal. I don't really see the actual value of the bipartisan compromise other than Biden getting to say that he got one done which I don't really care about more than whatever extent it is responsible for him winning again in 2024, but it's also possible he could win without a bipartisan compromise here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvyablue256 Posted July 30, 2021 Report Share Posted July 30, 2021 1 hour ago, Titans279 said: I'm not really sure what a person who liked the original bill is supposed to think though. I wish the real bill had passed too because it would be a better bill from my perspective. Unless Sinema and Co. are actually as conservative as Republicans the bill could have been better if just done through reconciliation even if it would have had to be cut down from the original proposal. I don't really see the actual value of the bipartisan compromise other than Biden getting to say that he got one done which I don't really care about more than whatever extent it is responsible for him winning again in 2024, but it's also possible he could win without a bipartisan compromise here. A bipartisan bill does 2 major things: 1. Earmarks. 2. Frees up Manchin/Sinema to mod the filibuster for voting rights...because of #1. "But they won't do it." ....... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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tgo Posted July 30, 2021 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2021 The man. Steve Ricchetti. luvyablue256 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titans279 Posted July 30, 2021 Report Share Posted July 30, 2021 8 hours ago, luvyablue256 said: A bipartisan bill does 2 major things: 1. Earmarks. 2. Frees up Manchin/Sinema to mod the filibuster for voting rights...because of #1. "But they won't do it." ....... I don’t understand the logic behind 2. It seems like this bill would be evidence that bipartisanship can work so why would it encourage them to modify the filibuster? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titans279 Posted July 30, 2021 Report Share Posted July 30, 2021 She really is the worst. OILERMAN, and tgo 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgo Posted July 30, 2021 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2021 Not a fan of Sinema at all. Strange politician. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted July 30, 2021 Report Share Posted July 30, 2021 Manchin talks debt at a “private” lunch? He clearly believes this and it’s not political Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvyablue256 Posted July 30, 2021 Report Share Posted July 30, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Titans279 said: I don’t understand the logic behind 2. It seems like this bill would be evidence that bipartisanship can work so why would it encourage them to modify the filibuster? Because they know the filibuster (as it currently stands) would be used to derail any voting rights effort. Earmarks traditionally have been used to help Senators make tough votes. If Manchin & Sinema vote to mod the filibuster, they can go back home and say "but I also got these raggedy ass roads fixed too." They could also spin the voting rights bill in a way that moderates/conservatives in their states would be comfortable with. "We fought for election security provisions" Edited July 30, 2021 by luvyablue256 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvyablue256 Posted July 30, 2021 Report Share Posted July 30, 2021 (edited) Democratic voters have to get over this "we always lose" shit. The fact that this bill is going to pass is a HUGE deal on many fronts. We essentially got Republicans to agree to potentially shape-shifting environmental improvements! Turn off the goddamn MSNBC & CNN for a few weeks and smell the fuckin' roses! Edited July 30, 2021 by luvyablue256 oldschool, tgo, and IsntLifeFunny 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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