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1 minute ago, IsntLifeFunny said:

I’m good with that. I meant it purely as a way to rest Landry and Dupree (who is going to need it recovering from the knee). If they think Roberson or Weaver provide more pass rush then if he loses his spot at ILB he doesn’t need to play any snaps unless it’s GL. 

If all else fails, I think we can count on Weaver to get out there and start slapping bitches left and right like Deacon Jones!

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We all knew Evans wasn’t getting the 5th year option.    He has always stood out on the goal line, but otherwise he has been a disappointment. If they want to get something out of him, use him

He was solid in 2019. He wasn’t great, but he definitely wasn’t a massive liability like he was every single game last year. He also showed up in big spots in the 2 playoff wins.    You’re righ

you have it backwards.... Long was forced to play Brown's position last year due to injuries. Long is Evans replacement, Rice could be Brown's.

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1 minute ago, IsntLifeFunny said:

You’re talking in circles. And yes, I said he should get some snaps at edge once Clowney went down and he was playing terrible at MLB. Who cares? Sheesh. The overarching point is if he keeps playing like he did last year he needs to lose his spot. That’s the main theme of the discussion. 

 

Everybody is in agreement that if he plays poorly in 2021 he should be benched as the ILB.  There's not one post in this thread by anyone that says otherwise and it's pretty clear that either Long or Rice should be in line to be able to do that.

 

The idea that he can play as an edge OLB in this scheme is where the disconnect has been.  Those that claim he could or should do it don't know what they are talking about.  He's too small to do it and has zero pass rush moves.  The OLB's in this scheme are all 250 lbs - 270 lbs.  He's 232 lbs/  He'd get stonewalled easily by OT's.  It's a big reason why the coaches didn't take your advice.....

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Just now, BudsOilers said:

 

Everybody is in agreement that if he plays poorly in 2021 he should be benched as the ILB.  There's not one post in this thread by anyone that says otherwise and it's pretty clear that either Long or Rice should be in line to be able to do that.

 

The idea that he can play as an edge OLB in this scheme is where the disconnect has been.  Those that claim he could or should do it don't know what they are talking about.  He's too small to do it and has zero pass rush moves.  The OLB's in this scheme are all 250 lbs - 270 lbs.  He's 232 lbs/  He'd get stonewalled easily by OT's.  It's a big reason why the coaches didn't take your advice.....

Yes yes, I get it. If he plays terrible then just bench his ass. 

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Just now, IsntLifeFunny said:

Yes yes, I get it. If he plays terrible then just bench his ass. 

 

Do you?  Do you understand WHY Evans doesn't fit as an OLB in this defense? 

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2 minutes ago, BudsOilers said:

 

Do you?  Do you understand WHY Evans doesn't fit as an OLB in this defense? 

I never said he did. Ugh. I said he could possibly be used as a situational pass rusher in our nickel schemes, which they have done from time to time. 
 

Do you think I meant in base downs lol? Pay attention old man. I never said anything like that. 

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Just now, IsntLifeFunny said:

I never said he did. Ugh. I said he could possibly be used as a situational pass rusher in our nickel schemes, which they have done from time. 

LOL - that's NOT what you said.  If he's spelling Landry or Clowney's spot in the nickel, he'd be rushing from the outside matched up against OT's......

 

Yeah, no shit he can rush the passer from the nickel from the 2nd LB spot up the middle! 

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Just now, BudsOilers said:

LOL - that's NOT what you said.  If he's spelling Landry or Clowney's spot in the nickel, he'd be rushing from the outside matched up against OT's......

 

Yeah, no shit he can rush the passer from the nickel from the 2nd LB spot up the middle! 

Yes, it is what I said, and yes we have used him like that on the outside from those alignments. I’m not talking about using him as a blitzer up the middle dummy. He has taken snaps in the nickel as a stand up rusher on the outside as a Titan. 

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3 hours ago, BudsOilers said:

I recall people citing whatever he did at Alabama as proof he could do it......I'd also point out that if anyone thinks Evans is miscast and should be playing outside, then you would think that Robinson and Vrabel are morons.  

 

To play devil's advocate here, Vrabel might be a moron when it comes to his defensive coaching.

 

JRob paid a boatload to Beasley who busted gloriously (and lots of people questioned the move as soon as he was signed, noting how much Atlanta hated him). Vrabel refuses to bench Landry and works him more than Henry. They trotted out the worst defensive pass rush we've ever seen; historically bad.

 

They have prototypes for their OLBs and they don't value pure pass rushers; they want big guys who can set the edge. I'm not arguing Evans is some elite pass rusher, but I'm not sure that the coaches would know what to do with an undersized pass rush specialist. We could have Robert Mathis and he'd never be a starter in this scheme.

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1 hour ago, IsntLifeFunny said:

Yes, it is what I said, and yes we have used him like that on the outside from those alignments. I’m not talking about using him as a blitzer up the middle dummy. He has taken snaps in the nickel as a stand up rusher on the outside as a Titan. 

 

And did that ever work in the few snaps that he was used in this manner?  No......Because he's undersized to do that.   As a pass rusher, they have used him far far more as a blitzer from inside.  With Pees and with

 

BTW - here's the half sack he got last year......It was a busted play on a middle screen that was stuffed so he played it like a run and because it was behind the line it was called a sack.....He's the guy in the middle lined up a half yard in the end zone prior to the snap.

 

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FWIW I went back I watched every sack from Evans in his career (the other 2.5!). 

 

In addition to this half sack above, he had a sack against Mahomes in 2019 where he came up from the middle LB spot as Mahomes was rolling out and buying time on 3rd down as KC was playing it safe for a FG to go up 8.  The next play was the dropped snap by KC's holder.....

 

The other full sack was on 4th down against Jax when they were blowing them out.  Same story - came up from MLB to make the sack once Foles was buying time.

 

Now I did find a half sack against the Falcons in 2019 during the 4th quarter (up 14 points) where Evans actually llined up as a DL with Landry and Wake were playing wide 9 with he and Mack over the Tackles in a dime package where Brown was the other LB on the field.  Of course, he whiffed on the clean sack and then helped clean up when Ryan ran into the collapsing pocket. 

 

I've yet to find a play where he lined up at DE and did anything.

 

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7 minutes ago, cenj said:

 

To play devil's advocate here, Vrabel might be a moron when it comes to his defensive coaching.

 

JRob paid a boatload to Beasley who busted gloriously (and lots of people questioned the move as soon as he was signed, noting how much Atlanta hated him). Vrabel refuses to bench Landry and works him more than Henry. They trotted out the worst defensive pass rush we've ever seen; historically bad.

 

They have prototypes for their OLBs and they don't value pure pass rushers; they want big guys who can set the edge. I'm not arguing Evans is some elite pass rusher, but I'm not sure that the coaches would know what to do with an undersized pass rush specialist. We could have Robert Mathis and he'd never be a starter in this scheme.

 

Even Mathis though was 245lbs.  There just are not 230 lb edge rushers in the NFL.  For a very good reason - too small.

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