oldschool Posted May 4, 2021 Report Share Posted May 4, 2021 Just now, tgo said: He's clearly not on Davis' level, I don't think I've seen anyone say that. you and many others have been saying for days Davis won't be missed and that his production can easily be replaced by Reynolds since the Titans have Brown and Henry. Mythos27, AussieTitanFan08, Titans279, and 1 other 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mythos27 Posted May 4, 2021 Popular Post Report Share Posted May 4, 2021 2 minutes ago, tgo said: No doubt there's a real dropoff between Davis and Reynolds. But I think the drop off, in the context of how we use the Z receiver in this offense, is being overly estimated when it comes to the pass game. To me, the biggest issue is that Davis is a much better blocker than Reynolds. So that will be felt in the run game. Reynolds should be able to reasonably put up 700-800 yards of production given his skillset and ability level, and one would hope that AJB and Firkser both would see an uptick in pass game production, as well as the WR3 over Humphries' production last year. I don't think those expectations are unreasonable. Now *obviously* it would be ideal to get another legit receiver and TE in here, I hope it happens before the start of the season. Yeah, I don't see that. What I see is teams dedicating even more coverage to AJB because the #2 receiver is less of a threat and then Reynolds not being able to win his one on one at near the rate that Davis did and when he does win, he does less damage because he's less dynamic. One of the bigger criticisms of Davis was that he wasn't dynamic enough, well if you believed that go watch a Reynolds highlight tape. I know it seems like I'm dogging Reynolds but my thing is that he seems like a #3 option that we're about to force into a #2 role and I don't see him having the talent to pull it off at a level that doesn't force us to take a step back as an offense. Maybe I'm wrong though. Justafan, prometheus, Jonboy, and 2 others 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted May 4, 2021 Report Share Posted May 4, 2021 6 minutes ago, tgo said: He's clearly not on Davis' talent level, I don't think I've seen anyone say that. No one will explicitly say it but when you say there will be little drop off, it is implied. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgo Posted May 4, 2021 Report Share Posted May 4, 2021 1 minute ago, oldschool said: you and many others have been saying for days Davis won't be missed and that his production can easily be replaced by Reynolds since the Titans have Brown and Henry. That's a pretty hyperbolic take on what I've said. I've said it's being overrated in terms of what the W-L record will be. I've also said point blank there will be at least a 20% decrease in offensive production imo. I just find that to be an acceptable tradeoff for potentially improving the defensive production by 50-100%. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted May 4, 2021 Report Share Posted May 4, 2021 We have to trade for a WR. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgo Posted May 4, 2021 Report Share Posted May 4, 2021 2 minutes ago, Mythos27 said: No one will explicitly say it but when you say there will be little drop off, it is implied. There shouldn't be a ton (200 yards or so) of dropoff in terms of receiving production due to the offensive style, that's the point. I'm not saying that Reynolds is the same level of weapon that Davis was. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted May 4, 2021 Report Share Posted May 4, 2021 6 minutes ago, oldschool said: you and many others have been saying for days Davis won't be missed and that his production can easily be replaced by Reynolds since the Titans have Brown and Henry. They also discredit Davis and imply that much of his production has nothing little to do with him and can be attributed to the scheme, Henry, and Brown. When you think that way it's logical to think that anyone else given a similar situation will do just as well but that isn't necessarily true. The data doesn't say Davis was just riding on coattails, it say he played at a damn high level and really was more of a 1B than a #2 receiver. Justafan, and oldschool 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted May 4, 2021 Report Share Posted May 4, 2021 3 minutes ago, tgo said: That's a pretty hyperbolic take on what I've said. I've said it's being overrated in terms of what the W-L record will be. I've also said point blank there will be at least a 20% decrease in offensive production imo. I just find that to be an acceptable tradeoff for potentially improving the defensive production by 50-100%. I hadn't heard the bolded from you but that seems reasonable. The defense would have to improve in quite a dramatic fashion to make up for a 20% reduction in overall offense wouldn't it? You really see that as realistic? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted May 4, 2021 Report Share Posted May 4, 2021 1 minute ago, IsntLifeFunny said: We have to trade for a WR. I'm not sure Jrob agrees.... The Titans did't get anything out of WR3 and WR4 last year. If you look at the 2018 numbers it was more balanced but still pretty pedestrian. tgo, and Justafan 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted May 4, 2021 Report Share Posted May 4, 2021 2 minutes ago, tgo said: There shouldn't be a ton (200 yards or so) of dropoff in terms of receiving production due to the offensive style, that's the point. I'm not saying that Reynolds is the same level of weapon that Davis was. OK. But even 200 yards isn't chump change and given how those yards are distributed and which games they are missing in, it could make or break the season. We're not some juggernaut. If you swap Reynold for Davis in those 2 games the Brown missed last season we might not make the playoffs. They call it a game of inches for a reason. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgo Posted May 4, 2021 Report Share Posted May 4, 2021 Just now, Mythos27 said: They also discredit Davis and imply that much of his production has nothing little to do with him and can be attributed to the scheme, Henry, and Brown. When you think that way it's logical to think that anyone else given a similar situation will do just as well but that isn't necessarily true. The data doesn't say Davis was just riding on coattails, it say he played at a damn high level and really was more of a 1B than a #2 receiver. Davis was distinctly a #2 receiver, not "1B" and will never be anything more than a number 2 receiver. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted May 4, 2021 Report Share Posted May 4, 2021 2 minutes ago, Mythos27 said: They also discredit Davis and imply that much of his production has nothing little to do with him and can be attributed to the scheme, Henry, and Brown. When you think that way it's logical to think that anyone else given a similar situation will do just as well but that isn't necessarily true. The data doesn't say Davis was just riding on coattails, it say he played at a damn high level and really was more of a 1B than a #2 receiver. Yep. This is backed up by the fact anytime AJ was out Davis would step up and we didn’t miss a beat on offense. The guy is a legit top 20 WR. He goes for around 1150-1200 last year if it wasn’t for being out two games and his brother dying right before another one. Mythos27 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted May 4, 2021 Report Share Posted May 4, 2021 36 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said: This is the first I’ve heard of him. Solid pickup. He’s definitely got some upside with the way he’s a natural hands catcher. Swaim isn’t an in-line guy and Pruitt has little to no upside. Like you said we’ll bring in a veteran one way or another, but I wouldn’t mind giving this kid a shot. Pinckney was great as a JR at Vandy when they had a good QB. Not an elite athlete but still a really good TE. Then as a SR they had no QB and he (and others) dropped off the face of the map. I have high hopes for him as depth at least. IsntLifeFunny, and tgo 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgo Posted May 4, 2021 Report Share Posted May 4, 2021 2 minutes ago, Mythos27 said: I hadn't heard the bolded from you but that seems reasonable. The defense would have to improve in quite a dramatic fashion to make up for a 20% reduction in overall offense wouldn't it? You really see that as realistic? I not only see it as realistic, but likely. Mythos27 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted May 4, 2021 Report Share Posted May 4, 2021 4 minutes ago, Mythos27 said: They also discredit Davis and imply that much of his production has nothing little to do with him and can be attributed to the scheme, Henry, and Brown. When you think that way it's logical to think that anyone else given a similar situation will do just as well but that isn't necessarily true. The data doesn't say Davis was just riding on coattails, it say he played at a damn high level and really was more of a 1B than a #2 receiver. Davis had 4 10+ targets last year, none of which were in the 2 games Brown missed, because he consistently got open. By now we should all agree the Titans aren't just going to feed a WR targets based on talent. Just look at Brown's targets if you don't believe me. This is not the GB offense where everything in the passing game goes through Adams. Mythos27 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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