titanskick8851 Posted April 16, 2021 Report Share Posted April 16, 2021 8 minutes ago, tgo said: For the record, my top 5 GMs overall (not just drafting) are: 1. Mickey Loomis 2. Kevin Colbert 3. Brett Veach 4. Jon Robinson 5. Jason Licht I think Gutekunst, Roseman, Spielman, Snead, Ballard, Telesco, Schneider are also good GMs overall. There are a few maybes, but most of the rest are either totally unproven or garbage. I have a feeling Roseman, Spielman, Schneider, and Colbert (retirement) are nearing the end of the road in the next few years though. I do love what Berry is doing for the Browns as well but he’s only going into his second draft. tgo 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number9 Posted April 16, 2021 Report Share Posted April 16, 2021 1 hour ago, charleytolar said: If you are really paying attention, my J-Rob criticisms are about his draft capital management not specific selections. I objected to the Conklin trade before and after his brief flirtation as an all-pro with the Titans. We paid slightly less than the Chiefs did for Mahomes. RTs are not QBs. I can squirt out a list but I'm being honest I don't keep up with all the pre-draft and draft-days slides up and down the board for other teams so what would I say. I don't put much stock in any of these ratings. You would need a computer to crunch all the data and I doubt any here have access to that kind of brainpower. Please forgive me for believing there has to be some type of measuring criteria used in deciding that a GM is making bad decisions. Trading up/down is a tool used by some GMs, but to me the bottom line is results. It has to be results. In 2017, KC traded up to get PM. The Bears traded up to get MT. The real bottom line is what else those franchises did. There's a lot of jazz about 1st round picks, but the league and the HOF is made up of players drafted in every round, even un-drafted. So, it comes down to who did you get more than when did you pick them or what you gave up to get them. KC got Kareem Hunt. Chicago got Eddie Jackson. Then you look at the rosters KC vs Chi and it's more of the same, even worse. It's not just the draft position, it's how the GM thinks a certain player fits as someone has already said. IMO, the jury is still out on Evans. freakingeek 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted April 16, 2021 Report Share Posted April 16, 2021 3 hours ago, charleytolar said: oldschool, too. Maybe others. Most don't comment because they don't want to be hassled (like this). I wasn't aware this was about joining the in-crowd... Nope. You and tez are on a different level with this shit. My stance is jrob is a good not great gm who could grow into a top 5 GM. I simply take issue with the notion jrob is above reproach. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted April 16, 2021 Report Share Posted April 16, 2021 1 hour ago, titanskick8851 said: Mine are pretty similar to those stated earlier. These are teams that really have either built long term winners or have are on the up and up. Mickey Loomis - NO Jason Licht - TB Brett Veach - KC Kevin Colbert - PIT Brandon Beane - BUF I think Robinson is definitely a top 10 GM and borderline top 5. He’s in the spot now where he has to keep the team competitive and winning with some higher paid players now on the roster. I'll concede top 10 but @tgo is being far too generous in giving jrob credit for guys like Conklin and Davis. The bottom line is 5 out of his first 6 1st rounders are going to be off the team this time next year with Simmons the lone exception. Jamalisms 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
abenjami Posted April 16, 2021 Report Share Posted April 16, 2021 Make sure to tune in to Titans Report next week to find out which teams in the NFL have the top 5 janitorial services. rns90, SleepingTitan, and Mythos27 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rns90 Posted April 16, 2021 Report Share Posted April 16, 2021 5 minutes ago, abenjami said: Make sure to tune in to Titans Report next week to find out which teams in the NFL have the top 5 janitorial services. Obviously the Titans would be up there. Tommie Campbell passed on the skills on how to make the toilet bowl smell great and how to make the floor stunningly clean and shiny. abenjami 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted April 16, 2021 Report Share Posted April 16, 2021 "sans JRob" is pretty redundant I do admit that, as the draft approaches, I'm starting to get pretty excited to see who the Titans are gonna proudly let walk in free agency 4 or 5 years from now! tgo, and Mythos27 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishTitansFan Posted April 16, 2021 Report Share Posted April 16, 2021 Brett Veach's draft classes so far in his tenure have been mediocre to bad. My 5, in no order: Loomis Colbert Brandon Beane Tom Telesco (lately) Ballard freakingeek, and tgo 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OILERMAN Posted April 16, 2021 Report Share Posted April 16, 2021 11 hours ago, tgo said: @AussieTitanFan08 @titanskick8851 You guys are draft guys, give us your top 5. @Jonboy @OILERMAN @IsntLifeFunny @headhunter @japan I'll just say this. Robinson knows how to build a team and manage a roster among the best GMs. He moves on quickly from mistakes and he does a great job with trades and finding players that fit the team. Number9, IsntLifeFunny, tgo, and 1 other 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted April 16, 2021 Report Share Posted April 16, 2021 @tgo has put forth an even stronger argument for J-Rob than I thought. We can pick apart his misses but it's clear that when it comes to hits he's among the elite in the league. This is why it's so important to evaluate guys compared to their peers rather than in a vacuum. Does anyone want to actually refute his argument point by point or should we just agree/concede that J-Rob is a top 5 drafting GM in the league? I haven't seen a strong counter point yet aside from his draft pick retention rate via second contracts which I'll remind you we haven't yet compared to his peers. OILERMAN, Number9, tgo, and 1 other 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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charleytolar Posted April 16, 2021 Report Share Posted April 16, 2021 (edited) 10 hours ago, oldschool said: Nope. You and tez are on a different level with this shit. My stance is jrob is a good not great gm who could grow into a top 5 GM. I simply take issue with the notion jrob is above reproach. Twins-- you and me! I knew it. I'm aligned with @TitanTez even though he is harsher than I would be. I can live with that. Many here feel threatened by his strong opinions. Not me. Edited April 16, 2021 by charleytolar Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charleytolar Posted April 16, 2021 Report Share Posted April 16, 2021 11 hours ago, Number9 said: Please forgive me for believing there has to be some type of measuring criteria used in deciding that a GM is making bad decisions. Trading up/down is a tool used by some GMs, but to me the bottom line is results. It has to be results. Yes, and the criteria is have THAT GM's DECISIONS proved overall solid for the franchise. All of J-Rob's four trades-up have been MEH with the player targeted and HARMFUL with the price paid: 5 second- thru fourth-found selections in four trades in J-Rob's first three seasons when the roster was presumably weaker and we needed those selections. So we are grabbing UDFAs rather than premium picks to fill out the roster. A greater percentage of the roster is going to be made up of 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round picks than 1st. It's just math! In a decade, it's unlikely that you'll still have your ten first-round picks on the roster due to injuries or flame-outs. But your 2nd, 3rd, and 4th rounders is a roster of 30. How many 2nd and 3rd rounders out-perform 1st rounders? We have some on our own team: Henry, AJB, Nate Davis, Byard... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scine09 Posted April 16, 2021 Report Share Posted April 16, 2021 1 hour ago, titanskick8851 said: Upon reading that article it's nearly impossible to make an argument against him being one of the better GMs in football. oldschool 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenIsLegend Posted April 16, 2021 Report Share Posted April 16, 2021 37 minutes ago, charleytolar said: Twins-- you and me! I knew it. I'm aligned with @TitanTez even though he is harsher than I would be. I can live with that. Many here feel threatened by his strong opinions. Not me. You're siding with a dude who - most of the time - can't even type out a legible sentence. The fact you think he is an intelligent poster baffles me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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