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That's where you and your wife stand at opposite ends of the house and yell FU@K Y0U!!!!  

I can guarantee Mariota isn't going to have multiple women come forward with these allegations against him!!!!

I need to see pictures of these women before I decide who is telling the truth.

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11 hours ago, abenjami said:

 

This is an easy explanation.  Massage therapists provide plausible deniability.  If you're with an escort, it's obvious since they don't provide any legal services that can be used to explain why you were there.

 

But here's the better mystifying question.  Why play games with either one?  You're a tall, athletic, multi-millionaire, famous athlete.  Why can't you just go to a bar or a night club and hook up with whoever you want legally and for free?  And get much more than a hand job while you're at it? 

Maybe he's gay and he requires more intimacy to climax with a woman? 

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Solicitation of a prostitute is illegal in Texas but I would assume it’s a misdemeanor and no big deal. Forced sexual advances against an unwilling participant is whole different story . That hasn’t been clearly established or debunked yet in the ongoing NFL investigation. I agree with Watsons lawyer if they were indeed a mutually agreed upon happy ending.

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On 6/3/2022 at 4:01 PM, Righteous said:

Of course it was consensual.   Everyone know what goes on at massage parlors.   It was an attack on his image and nothing more.  

 

On 6/3/2022 at 3:10 PM, BlueThunder said:

Women are worse. Most of them just want to brag they had contact with a celebrity, like screwing a rock star, sports figure, politician, etc. 

 

I hear a lot of women talk of misogyny, and I think that it is overblown.  Then, I come to a place like this and these are two posts within an hour of each other.

 

To clear this up, Watson did not go to a 'massage parlor'.  Watson hired women to come into his home and perform massages.  He then coerced them into performing sexual acts on him, and threatened their livelihood if they told anyone.  

 

And, as far as women wanting to brag about how they had contact with a celebrity: This absolutely happens.  However, to say that 'most of them' just want to brag about it?  I don't know that any woman wants to be in a situation in which they are coerced into performing sexual acts.  And, these women certainly aren't 'bragging'.  In fact, the most recent complainant wasn't going to come forward at all until she saw two of the complainants do an interview about Watson's contract. 

 

And, there are men who would love to sleep with a celebrity as well so they could brag about it.

 

The thought that 23 women just decided to form an attack on his image, is asinine.  It just shows that humans can rationalize anything.

 

 

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On 6/3/2022 at 2:20 PM, Jamalisms said:

 

“I don’t know how many men are out there now that have had a massage that perhaps occasionally there was a happy ending. Maybe there’s nobody in your listening audience that that ever happened to. I do want to point out, if it has happened, it’s not a crime. OK? Unless you are paying somebody extra or so to give you some type of sexual activity, it’s not a crime. . . . Doing something or saying something or being a way that makes you uncomfortable is not a crime.”

 

 

From PFT:

 

But we’re not talking about criminal conduct at this stage of the process. The question is whether a civil violation occurred — something that isn’t a crime but that constitutes behavior that would permit the plaintiff to receive fair compensation.

 

An equally important question for Watson is whether his behavior violates the Personal Conduct Policy. If he arranged massages hoping for a “happy ending” and in so doing connected himself in a way that made multiple massage therapists uncomfortable, that potentially amounts to “conduct that poses a genuine danger to the safety and well-being of another person” and/or “conduct that undermines or puts at risk the integrity of the NFL, NFL clubs, or NFL personnel.”

 

Hardin, Graham, and the rest of Watson’s legal team are paid to advocate for him. That’s what they’re doing. They’re not paid to say, “Look, Deshaun likes getting massages from strangers and having them possibly turn sexual. Sometimes, the massage therapist initiates it. Sometimes, he has to make the first move. Sometimes, the massage therapist may not be interested in doing that. Sometimes, the massage therapist may end up feeling uncomfortable or offended.”

 

Common sense suggests, based on the 23 claims pending against Watson, that he was doing precisely that. Does anyone believe these massages were therapeutic? He’s a professional athlete. He would want to find one person who consistently gives him the kind of massage that allows him to get the most out of his abilities, not a revolving door of people with varying levels of skill and experience who may or may not enhance his on-field performance — and who potentially could with one wrong move impair it.

 

He has every right to defend himself against these 23 cases, and to insist that he did nothing wrong before, during, and after the trials. As Hardin says more and more about the situation, however, he’s coming dangerously close to admitting that Watson indeed had a habit of seeking and/or getting “happy endings.” Should anyone be surprised that the therapists who objected to these advances, once they realized that they had rights that could be pursued in court, decided to do so?

 

I don't know why the attorney would even state it in this manner.  It is one thing for Watson to say all sexual contact was consensual.  It is quite another to act as if Watson was requesting happy endings.

 

A rich, famous and powerful man imposes a great amount of pressure just with the request.  And, given that he is accused of threatening their character and livelihood, it's even worse.

 

I personally hope the NFL bans him for as long as they can.  This abuse is Harvey Weinstein esque.  Weinstein also denied any 'non-consensual' sex.

 

 

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51 minutes ago, freakingeek said:

Solicitation of a prostitute is illegal in Texas but I would assume it’s a misdemeanor and no big deal. Forced sexual advances against an unwilling participant is whole different story . That hasn’t been clearly established or debunked yet in the ongoing NFL investigation. I agree with Watsons lawyer if they were indeed a mutually agreed upon happy ending.

It is one thing to approach a prostitute or sex worker and agree to pay for sexual favors.

 

It is another to lure women into your home for massages and then make sexual advances that they feel they cannot resist due to the social pressure that you could bring on them, and that you remind them of during the course of 'negotiations'.

 

If it comes out that Watson was innocent of these accusations, then I will be the first to apologize for believe the word of 23 over the denial of one.

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Just now, dcblanton said:

It is one thing to approach a prostitute or sex worker and agree to pay for sexual favors.

 

It is another to lure women into your home for massages and then make sexual advances that they feel they cannot resist due to the social pressure that you could bring on them, and that you remind them of during the course of 'negotiations'.

 

If it comes out that Watson was innocent of these accusations, then I will be the first to apologize for believe the word of 23 over the denial of one.

For me, one of the things that stretches credulity is that to believe Watson, you'd have to believe that 23 of these women willingly and without any compensation consented to engaging in sexual activities with him during the massage. Really bro? You're just that irresistible to women that they all just want to take a professional massage way further than that? Not buying it. 

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17 minutes ago, dcblanton said:

 

I don't know why the attorney would even state it in this manner.  It is one thing for Watson to say all sexual contact was consensual.  It is quite another to act as if Watson was requesting happy endings.

 

A rich, famous and powerful man imposes a great amount of pressure just with the request.  And, given that he is accused of threatening their character and livelihood, it's even worse.

 

I personally hope the NFL bans him for as long as they can.  This abuse is Harvey Weinstein esque.  Weinstein also denied any 'non-consensual' sex.

 

 

 

You are misreading what the Lawyer said. He's saying sometimes massages end in happy endings, not that Watson paid for them. He's basically claiming sexual contact occurred between consenting adults. If you read through some of the original claims, it appears he likes to take out his schlong during the massage and see if it leads to something else. If he was straight up paying for it it would be a crime and easily chargeable. If it were more forceful you would imagine with 23 claims, law enforcement would have everything they need to charge him with sexual assault. The question then becomes why hasn't he been charged yet? The easy answer is the evidence doesn't support it at this stage.

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3 hours ago, oldschool said:

 

You are misreading what the Lawyer said. He's saying sometimes massages end in happy endings, not that Watson paid for them. He's basically claiming sexual contact occurred between consenting adults. If you read through some of the original claims, it appears he likes to take out his schlong during the massage and see if it leads to something else. If he was straight up paying for it it would be a crime and easily chargeable. If it were more forceful you would imagine with 23 claims, law enforcement would have everything they need to charge him with sexual assault. The question then becomes why hasn't he been charged yet? The easy answer is the evidence doesn't support it at this stage.

Words matter.  Calling it a 'happy ending' puts a different context do it than consensual sexual context.

 

Do I think Watson held these women down and raped them?  No.  Do I feel that he put them in a position that they were pressured into saying yes based on his power and wealth? Absolutely.  

 

I expect that some of the 23 women were okay with it until they saw the lawsuits, but I absolutely believe that he crossed the line, and if he wasn't a powerful millionaire, he would have already been brought up on charges.

 

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On 6/3/2022 at 8:42 PM, oldschool said:

 

This would be fairly easy to produce in a civil case I would think. If there were evidence of coercion or even forcing himself it would be a criminal matter already. I think dude is a piece of shit sleezeball perusing Instagram for happy endings but haven't seen anything so far that is criminal. Time will tell. 

 

I mean 24 people saying that he coerced them in some way will be pretty compelling, I should think! But I guess that's why they settled. Still, it's a pattern. If more come forward that weren't part of it, which is exactly what is now happening? I think the Browns are screwed. I think Watson is screwed. I also think he deserves it. But that last isn't relevant to the court case.

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On 6/4/2022 at 3:59 PM, oldschool said:

 

Wrong. That's simply your opinion. It's telling that they have 22 complaints and not a single one times to the level needed to charge him criminally. The burden to charge is minimal and yet the DA hasn't charged him with a single count? 

 

You think that the DA would charge someone like Watson using that minimum standard? Seems very unlikely to me. If he was a random poor person I assume the DA would have no problem, but for rich and famous people the evidence would need to be stronger. 

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59 minutes ago, Titans279 said:

 

You think that the DA would charge someone like Watson using that minimum standard? Seems very unlikely to me. If he was a random poor person I assume the DA would have no problem, but for rich and famous people the evidence would need to be stronger. 

 

In today's world absolutely. Weinstein ring a bell? Epstein? These guys were far more powerful than Watson is. Even Kraft was charged. Do I think he's shady as fuck? He'll yeah I do. But the fact is it doesn't take much to charge someone with sexual assault and not one of these 24 complaints have resulted in criminal charges. The evidence must not be there even though the bar is extremely low. 

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