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2 hours ago, patsplat said:

 

Stormy Daniels

Karen McDougal

Shera Bechard

 

Tell us Mr. Millionaire, how many payments and NDAs to porn stars and models do you have on your books?

 

 

Zero.

 

Which of those women had abortions paid by Trump as you claim?

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Well, you guys hated Obama, a thoughtful, well spoken president.   Contrast that with Trump, a narcissist of the highest order, conman, perpetual liar, and attacked anyone that disagreed with him. 

You guys elected the most unchristian president in our history. He’s literally the antithesis of everything Christ preached. 

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The issue with social media isn't the megaphone, or that people seek out extremist content.  It's worse than you think @nine.

 

What's going on is that social media has built the recommendation algorithms around the content that generates the most engagement.  Extremist sentiments get people to click.  Basically Facebook (and Twitter and YouTube) is pushing people down the radicalization path towards domestic terrorism, all for the sake of a greasy nickel.

 

Then it gets worse.

 

Those nickels come from advertising.  And social media you pick who you want to reach.  That's how foreign parties pay to keep pushing people down that radicalization path.

 

The end result is physicians and millionaires foolishly foaming at the mouth about Dr Seuss.

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4 hours ago, nine said:

Personally, I think social media has been the single biggest driver behind the current political culture.     

 

Social media affords every individual the ability to take whatever  thought happens to randomly pop into their head and instantly broadcast it to the world....regardless how silly, misguided, or dangerous it might be.    

 

It also allows them to seek out others who share similar opinions,  providing a sense of self-validation and offering a sense of community with like-minded individuals, while also maintaining a protective guise of relative anonymity.

 

This constant stream of similar thoughts and opinions creates an echo chamber environment in which opinions that align with their own are accepted as fact while opposing opinions are subject to criticism, ridicule, and attack.   

 

Disagreeing with a different opinion is fine;  personally attacking the people who express those opinions is another matter entirely.   

 

But sadly, far too many people either refuse to recognize the difference or simply don't care.

I don’t know that social media is worse than the decades of conservative media bullshit. It has been plenty bad, but without the influence of Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, etc we wouldn’t be in such a shitty place today even with social media.

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Does this forum count? Because most of you respond to things you disagree with by disparaging and personal comments. You guys are mostly sanctimonious as hell. 
 

Good post, nine.

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11 hours ago, Starkiller said:

I don’t know that social media is worse than the decades of conservative media bullshit. It has been plenty bad, but without the influence of Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, etc we wouldn’t be in such a shitty place today even with social media.


There’s no question that mainstream conservative media laid the groundwork for the current climate.  They also played a primary role in promoting propaganda to ensure that conservative Americans live in constant fear that their way of life will be taken away.   

 

Such conservative fearmongering been happening for decades...but it never swung  the needle or impacted the social temperature to the extent that Trump did.  
 

In just four short years, one self-important  and irresponsible narcissist President with a schoolgirl addiction to social media  generated far greater cultural animosity and political dysfunction than 30+ years of Rush Limbaugh’s  blustering diatribes.  And it was Trump’s constant social media exhortations about a "stolen election" and "losing our country"  that ultimately (and inevitably)  resulted in the events of Jan 6th. 
 

It’s certainly debatable whether Trump was the primary catalyst for these social and cultural breakdowns, or if  he was simply a symptom of the problem...a symbol representing decades of growing discontent among conservative Americans.  But either way, there’s absolutely no question that many conservatives took his inflammatory, antagonistic rhetoric as a literal call to arms.

 

The pot had been simmering for a long time....but it wasn’t until Trump fanned the flames and cranked up the heat that it finally boiled over.  

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4 hours ago, El Guapo said:

Does this forum count? Because most of you respond to things you disagree with by disparaging and personal comments. You guys are mostly sanctimonious as hell. 
 

Good post, nine.


Yes it counts, and yes we probably take too much pride in being jerks

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19 hours ago, El Guapo said:

Does this forum count? Because most of you respond to things you disagree with by disparaging and personal comments. You guys are mostly sanctimonious as hell. 
 

Good post, nine.

I think a lot of Trump supporters make statements based on things that just are not true or way biased to one side.

 

When Trump ran against Clinton, I copied a lot of posts on FB.  I later found out about all the lies that were posted during that election.  I starting fact checking things and when people sent me stories I fact checked them.  It they were untrue, I replied to the sender telling them what I found.  My post count went way down and I stopped receiving as many heads ups.

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On 3/7/2021 at 1:54 PM, nine said:

Personally, I think social media has been the single biggest driver behind the current political culture.     

 

Social media affords every individual the ability to take whatever  thought happens to randomly pop into their head and instantly broadcast it to the world....regardless how silly, misguided, or dangerous it might be.    

 

It also allows them to seek out others who share similar opinions,  providing a sense of self-validation and offering a sense of community with like-minded individuals, while also maintaining a protective guise of relative anonymity.

 

This constant stream of similar thoughts and opinions creates an echo chamber environment in which opinions that align with their own are accepted as fact while opposing opinions are subject to criticism, ridicule, and attack.   

 

Disagreeing with a different opinion is fine;  personally attacking the people who express those opinions is another matter entirely.   

 

But sadly, far too many people either refuse to recognize the difference or simply don't care.

 


You're right, but it's deeper than that.  Social Media has been a huge driver in all this.  It not only "affords" people with like mindedness, the algorithms are built around it.  For profit.  The AI algorithms give no shit as to what is right or wrong.  It is designed to keep you clicking, because that's how they make their money.   So if you like liberal shit, liberal shit appears in your feed.  If you like conservative shit, conservative shit appears in your feed.  If you like Trump shit, Trump shit appears in your feed.   Even if you spend more time on a post...it's logged as what you like and will feed similar information to you.    

You don't get alternative opinions in your feed.  The AI algorithms literally created a bubble.  It wasn't until last year they started to do something about it, and as for FB, was hesitant to do so.  $$$'s.  

As much as I disdain this system, it's still up to the individual to be informed.  Most of my liberal FB friends posts articles from news sources.  Most of my "conservative friends" (meaning by and large Trump supporters) post meme's, and no one questions it.  Occasionally I'll see someone bring an alternative explanation or offer an article that brings facts, but they are for the most part ignored.  

But here's the thing, the group that yells media bias the most, and claims they are feeding you falsehoods, are the first to post a meme on FB, with no verification, and believe it as fact.   With comments that follow that believe it as fact.  From the same people that believe mainstream media are not truthful....so they go with FB meme's as fact.  Insane.  

I brought up the term "truthiness" early in another thread...might have been this one.  I had to look it up as to when Colbert coined in.  2005.   That long ago.  This is what we are dealing with.  A significant portion of the population believes facts are something they believe to be true, and that's it.   And it's only gotten worse.  There's no way to fight this.  They disregard fact checking.  The only thing that matters is what they believe to be true.  

Sure, the left is responsible for this as well, but not near what the right has shown.   Perfect example, has any of our right wing friends truly showed offense to the Jan 6th storming of the Capital to stop the results of a democratically held election?  I haven't seen it.  They're more concerned about transgendered people and gas prices. 

That's where we're at.  And there's no fixing it for at least a generation.     

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7 hours ago, Rogue said:


You're right, but it's deeper than that.  Social Media has been a huge driver in all this.  It not only "affords" people with like mindedness, the algorithms are built around it.  For profit.  The AI algorithms give no shit as to what is right or wrong.  It is designed to keep you clicking, because that's how they make their money.   So if you like liberal shit, liberal shit appears in your feed.  If you like conservative shit, conservative shit appears in your feed.  If you like Trump shit, Trump shit appears in your feed.   Even if you spend more time on a post...it's logged as what you like and will feed similar information to you.    

You don't get alternative opinions in your feed.  The AI algorithms literally created a bubble.  It wasn't until last year they started to do something about it, and as for FB, was hesitant to do so.  $$$'s.  

As much as I disdain this system, it's still up to the individual to be informed.  Most of my liberal FB friends posts articles from news sources.  Most of my "conservative friends" (meaning by and large Trump supporters) post meme's, and no one questions it.  Occasionally I'll see someone bring an alternative explanation or offer an article that brings facts, but they are for the most part ignored.  

But here's the thing, the group that yells media bias the most, and claims they are feeding you falsehoods, are the first to post a meme on FB, with no verification, and believe it as fact.   With comments that follow that believe it as fact.  From the same people that believe mainstream media are not truthful....so they go with FB meme's as fact.  Insane.  

I brought up the term "truthiness" early in another thread...might have been this one.  I had to look it up as to when Colbert coined in.  2005.   That long ago.  This is what we are dealing with.  A significant portion of the population believes facts are something they believe to be true, and that's it.   And it's only gotten worse.  There's no way to fight this.  They disregard fact checking.  The only thing that matters is what they believe to be true.  

Sure, the left is responsible for this as well, but not near what the right has shown.   Perfect example, has any of our right wing friends truly showed offense to the Jan 6th storming of the Capital to stop the results of a democratically held election?  I haven't seen it.  They're more concerned about transgendered people and gas prices. 

That's where we're at.  And there's no fixing it for at least a generation.     

You are blind to any liberal lies. How many of your liberal friends on FB did you fact check and point out when they were wrong?

 

99.99% of ALL people condemned the idiots on Jan 6. How many liberals condemned all the cities burning this past summer? Hell, the democratic leaders if the cities didn't even condemn or try to stop it.

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26 minutes ago, LongTimeFan said:

You are blind to any liberal lies. How many of your liberal friends on FB did you fact check and point out when they were wrong?

 

99.99% of ALL people condemned the idiots on Jan 6. How many liberals condemned all the cities burning this past summer? Hell, the democratic leaders if the cities didn't even condemn or try to stop it.

 

Here you are condemning the idiots:

 

oh wait, nope instead of condemning the seditious attack on Congress your first words tried to own the libs. 

 

Just stop, start an off topic thread about classic truck restoration, and chill out.  Nobody's buying it anymore.

 

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