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Looking around the league, it seems like you just have to embrace what you are and then try to fill in the gaps via the draft and free agency.

 

I'm reminded of the Colts back in the Manning years. They just doubled down on their offense and plugged and played on defense with the exception of Freeney and Mathis.

 

We are an offensive team in an offensive league. No need to make yourself worse on offense to try and chase an unknown "better day" on D.

 

Sign those guys and just go heavy on defense in the draft. Maybe take a slot WR or OL in Round 3, otherwise just draft all defense and throw numbers at it.

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Exact opposite should happen.

Jonnu Smith developed into a great dual TE who can play inline or make plays down field. I suspect he'll get huge offers and in the right offense put up big numbers. Walker was a pass catching H-back.

I agree with the OP title - Nate Davis is a top notch guard and Tye Smith is critical depth. Both key elements to the team’s success. 

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22 minutes ago, NFL2K5 said:

Keeping Jonnu should be a no brainer and letting Davis walk should be a no brainer. 

You do know both halves of this statement requires a brain...

 

And I am the moron that pointed this out to one of the forum morons.

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14 minutes ago, Callidus said:

You do know both halves of this statement requires a brain...

 

And I am the moron that pointed this out to one of the forum morons.

 

Lolol you called me a moron but you really took the time to type this? There are some responses I've got and it's like hmmm ok that's funny. But the vibe from your response is like wow I'm bored and haven't had pussy in awhile so let me be grouchy 😂😂.

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I expect both players to reach free agency based on JRob's statement that they earned it.   A lot will depend on what other offers they get.

 

I'd add that Vrabel said they need to improve offensively against the league's better defenses.  What offensive positions can they upgrade?  The WR #3 and RT seem like the most likely spots.  But if either Davis or Smith leave, then they have to be replaced just to get back somewhere near the status quo.  Then they would be in a position to upgrade.

 

Keep both Davis and Smith might be doable assuming the contracts are reasonable but it would almost certainly limit their other free agency options unless JRob is very aggressive with restructures/cuts.

 

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11 hours ago, NFL2K5 said:

 

Lolol you called me a moron but you really took the time to type this? There are some responses I've got and it's like hmmm ok that's funny. But the vibe from your response is like wow I'm bored and haven't had pussy in awhile so let me be grouchy 😂😂.

Actually that is kinda accurate 😞😂

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1 hour ago, ctm said:

I expect both players to reach free agency based on JRob's statement that they earned it.   A lot will depend on what other offers they get.

 

I'd add that Vrabel said they need to improve offensively against the league's better defenses.  What offensive positions can they upgrade?  The WR #3 and RT seem like the most likely spots.  But if either Davis or Smith leave, then they have to be replaced just to get back somewhere near the status quo.  Then they would be in a position to upgrade.

 

Keep both Davis and Smith might be doable assuming the contracts are reasonable but it would almost certainly limit their other free agency options unless JRob is very aggressive with restructures/cuts.

 

And that is the proverbial yearly issue in theNFL. We need a RT, edge rusher, CB. But if we get rid of wr, te, ilb we have to replace those too. It is hard to get better if we draft as shitty as last year...

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The more I think about it the more I think they should keep both guys if at all possible for continuity from last year and draft all defensive players to help the defense while hopefully keeping Jayon Brown.  They need to get faster on defense which can happen by drafting the right guys.

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2 hours ago, scine09 said:

The more I think about it the more I think they should keep both guys if at all possible for continuity from last year and draft all defensive players to help the defense while hopefully keeping Jayon Brown.  They need to get faster on defense which can happen by drafting the right guys.

I agree with this take.  Keep offense at high level and slowly fix defense through draft.  Although I don't think they will be able to afford Davis.

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34 minutes ago, japan said:

I agree with this take.  Keep offense at high level and slowly fix defense through draft.  Although I don't think they will be able to afford Davis.

As I said in another thread if they can’t afford him then that’s okay, but there’s no shot we don’t at least offer a competitive salary. The guy fits the offense to a T and still has upside. When him and Brown are in the field we have a top 3 duo. 

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5 hours ago, LongTimeFan said:

Exact opposite should happen.

 

I agree with this and I actually like Jonnu Smith a lot. He's a really good player, but he's in a vertical offense that doesn't rely on its tight ends like that. It's just not money well spent.

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3 hours ago, scine09 said:

The more I think about it the more I think they should keep both guys if at all possible for continuity from last year and draft all defensive players to help the defense while hopefully keeping Jayon Brown.  They need to get faster on defense which can happen by drafting the right guys.

 

Keeping all 3 of Davis, Smith and Brown is a tall order without restructuring a lot of guys and pushing salary cap dollars forward.

 

In addition, the team needs help on the OL both on the interior and at OT (unless you think Kelly is the long term answer).

 

And  Vrabel said he wants to improve the offense to compete against better defenses.  Where is that help coming from?

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10 minutes ago, ctm said:

And  Vrabel said he wants to improve the offense to compete against better defenses.  Where is that help coming from?

Evans being healthy for the entire year will help.  Hard to say what they will add right now.  But I would not spend on a slot WR like the last time.  Maybe they try to sign or draft a TE who can run better run more reliable routes than Smith at a lower cost.  This is under the assumption that FIrkerser and Swaim return.

 

I suppose they could draft a burner WR but JR says he doesn't really care that much about speed.  So who knows about that part.

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9 minutes ago, ctm said:

 

Keeping all 3 of Davis, Smith and Brown is a tall order without restructuring a lot of guys and pushing salary cap dollars forward.

 

In addition, the team needs help on the OL both on the interior and at OT (unless you think Kelly is the long term answer).

 

And  Vrabel said he wants to improve the offense to compete against better defenses.  Where is that help coming from?

 

I do think we'll see a few restructures by I also think it won't be at the massive level suggested by some people. 

 

I think you are putting too much into that comment - which was a pretty obvious observation - the offense did not roll over the top 5 defenses as constructed.  He could have been referring to the play calling as much as the personnel.  Perhaps having to scheme around Lewan's absence too -it clearly impacted Jonnu's production.

 

There's going to be changes in the personnel - there always is.  Also, the market is kind of unknown right now.  Davis and Smith are valuable for sure but they get could huge offers considering the upside.  And in Davis' case, the down the road impact to AJ Brown is perhaps a precedent Robinson would be hesitant to make. 

 

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