reo Posted November 17 Report Share Posted November 17 (edited) Strong words. Cagey on some things as you'd expect but still very strong words. Biden is killin it on just about everything... damn. It's as surprising as it is impressive. Edited November 17 by reo tgo, IsntLifeFunny, and MadMax 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgo Posted November 22 Author Report Share Posted November 22 MadMax, and IsntLifeFunny 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted November 22 Report Share Posted November 22 Biden has arguably been the best president of my lifetime MadMax, tgo, IsntLifeFunny, and 1 other 2 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter Posted November 22 Report Share Posted November 22 1 hour ago, Starkiller said: Biden has arguably been the best president of my lifetime What the fuck Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadMax Posted November 22 Report Share Posted November 22 33 minutes ago, headhunter said: What the fuck yeah, because legislation and progress is bad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted November 22 Report Share Posted November 22 1 hour ago, Starkiller said: Biden has arguably been the best president of my lifetime Obama, Clinton, Bush Sr., Reagan - all better. He's better than GWB and Trump, Carter if you were alive for him but that's about it. Average. His administration has done an admirable job but it hasn't accomplished anything monumental or substantial like Obama did with healthcare or Clinton did with balancing the budget or Reagan did with ending the cold war. He's also completely failed as a figure head - which I would argue is the most important aspect of the actual position of president. His administration deserves credit. Biden is there for it... I think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
begooode Posted November 22 Report Share Posted November 22 37 minutes ago, Justafan said: He's also completely failed as a figure head - which I would argue is the most important aspect of the actual position of president. I have similar concerns, but wonder if there's any slicing of this sentiment --- failed domestically, internationally, both? In his control? just curious this seemingly becomes a challenging topic here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted November 22 Report Share Posted November 22 Just now, begooode said: I have similar concerns, but wonder if there's any slicing of this sentiment --- failed domestically, internationally, both? In his control? just curious this seemingly becomes a challenging topic here. Open to interpretation and opinions obviously vary. I agree though, certainly better in some facets than others and that can be parsed many ways I'm sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctm Posted November 22 Report Share Posted November 22 1 hour ago, Justafan said: Obama, Clinton, Bush Sr., Reagan - all better. He's better than GWB and Trump, Carter if you were alive for him but that's about it. Average. His administration has done an admirable job but it hasn't accomplished anything monumental or substantial like Obama did with healthcare or Clinton did with balancing the budget or Reagan did with ending the cold war. He's also completely failed as a figure head - which I would argue is the most important aspect of the actual position of president. His administration deserves credit. Biden is there for it... I think. The economy was shutting down during the pandemic. Look at job creation since then. No president has been better for job creation. tgo, and IsntLifeFunny 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgo Posted November 22 Author Report Share Posted November 22 4 hours ago, Starkiller said: Biden has arguably been the best president of my lifetime I’m not even sure it’s all that arguable. Def the best president of my life time anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgo Posted November 22 Author Report Share Posted November 22 (edited) 2 hours ago, Justafan said: He's also completely failed as a figure head - which I would argue is the most important aspect of the actual position of president. His administration deserves credit. Biden is there for it... I think. Failed as a figure head? He rallied and revitalized NATO and saved a young democracy. The entire Western world looks to him as a figure head and elder global statesman. No one in Western governments scratches their ass without Biden’s blessing. Edited November 22 by tgo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted November 22 Report Share Posted November 22 1 hour ago, tgo said: Failed as a figure head? He rallied and revitalized NATO and saved a young democracy. The entire Western world looks to him as a figure head and elder global statesman. No one in Western governments scratches their ass without Biden’s blessing. Lol. Russia's invasion of Ukraine might have had a minor impact on how easy it was to 'revitalize' NATO. Joe Biden hasn't saved any young democracy. I assume you are talking about Ukraine. Yes, he happened to be president when Congress wrote them some checks, but he hasn't saved Ukraine. They saved themselves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgo Posted November 22 Author Report Share Posted November 22 1 minute ago, Justafan said: Lol. Russia's invasion of Ukraine might have had a minor impact on how easy it was to 'revitalize' NATO. Joe Biden hasn't saved any young democracy. I assume you are talking about Ukraine. Yes, he happened to be president when Congress wrote them some checks, but he hasn't saved Ukraine. They saved themselves. What would have happened if Trump or a Trumpian isolationist were president instead do you think? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted November 22 Report Share Posted November 22 1 minute ago, tgo said: What would have happened if Trump or a Trumpian isolationist were president instead do you think? So he's better than Trump? Is that the bar? My dead grandma would make a great statesman if that's the case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgo Posted November 22 Author Report Share Posted November 22 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Justafan said: So he's better than Trump? Is that the bar? My dead grandma would make a great statesman if that's the case. For starters - Biden is the one who beat Trump - most of the other Dem candidates would not have. He's the reason Trump isn't president. And beyond that, Biden has long been a champion of NATO - there's a reason why he was a powerful foreign relations chairman in the Senate and had strong relationships with world leaders even before his time as VP. He lead on the Ukraine issue in a way that no one else was equipped to or would have had the force of will to do at the forefront NATO because he believes strongly in NATO from its early era. Much of that took place behind the scenes early on in terms of organizing strong financial/military support while convening unity among the allies in such a way that they could be assured they could avoid a direct confrontation with Russia and being pulled into a nuclear conflict. Several European countries were highly dependent on Russian energy, and BIDEN and his administration arranged alternative suppliers for them (including more US supply) so that they could eliminate that dependency. This has allowed Germany in particular to allocate tens of billions in aid they would not otherwise be able to without risking their own energy supply at the hands of the Soviets. Between the Ukraine and Israel conflicts - Biden will be remembered by history as a strong and adept diplomat and supporter of Democracy, I am confident of that. He is successfully shepherding the world through one of the most consequential periods in modern geopolitical history. The US show of force in the Red Sea and East Med at Biden's command has so far confined this conflict mainly to Gaza rather than erupting into a Regional War. I can't imagine anyone better suited to be leading the country during these conflicts - the only one that comes close would be Hillary Clinton. Edited November 22 by tgo IsntLifeFunny 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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