luvyablue256 Posted January 26, 2021 Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 2 minutes ago, tgo said: *any* bills passed. Nothing can or will happen without more Dem senators to offset Manchin and Sinema, except what is done through reconciliation. They’ll be able to probably pass budgets or do the NDAA without using reconciliation, but not much more. Manchin and Sinema will not hold up every piece of legislation. Its already been noted that Manchin is never the deciding nay on votes that doesn't have a few GOP yeas. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgo Posted January 26, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, luvyablue256 said: Manchin and Sinema will not hold up every piece of legislation. Its already been noted that Manchin is never the deciding nay on votes that doesn't have a few GOP yeas. ? No, the filibuster will hold up every piece of legislation. And more Dem senators are needed to kill the filibuster - as Manchin and Sinema will not. Edited January 26, 2021 by tgo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvyablue256 Posted January 26, 2021 Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 7 minutes ago, tgo said: ? No, the filibuster will hold up every piece of legislation. And more Dem senators are needed to kill the filibuster - as Manchin and Sinema will not. So the GOP is going to filibuster every damned bill that hits the chamber? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Starkiller Posted January 26, 2021 Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 28 minutes ago, luvyablue256 said: So the GOP is going to filibuster every damned bill that hits the chamber? He will probably let Dems name a few post offices. Otherwise? Yeah... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvyablue256 Posted January 26, 2021 Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 31 minutes ago, Starkiller said: He will probably let Dems name a few post offices. Otherwise? Yeah... That didn't even happen under Obama, the man hated by McConnell. McConnell and Biden have enough of a relationship to where I seriously don't see that happening. Will we see things like $15 minimum wage? Not now. More like $10. Is that bad? No. oldschool 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted January 26, 2021 Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 7 minutes ago, luvyablue256 said: That didn't even happen under Obama No? Which Democratic bills under Obama did the GOP not try to filibuster??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvyablue256 Posted January 26, 2021 Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 12 minutes ago, Starkiller said: No? Which Democratic bills under Obama did the GOP not try to filibuster??? They passed quite a few bipartisan bills. Some of Obama's major ones never hit the floor but everything wasn't bottled up Starkiller, and tgo 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted January 26, 2021 Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 15 minutes ago, luvyablue256 said: They passed quite a few bipartisan bills. Some of Obama's major ones never hit the floor but everything wasn't bottled up Name them. tgo 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted January 26, 2021 Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 (edited) 41 minutes ago, luvyablue256 said: They passed quite a few bipartisan bills. Some of Obama's major ones never hit the floor but everything wasn't bottled up Like I asked, what Democratic bills did the GOP not try to filibuster under Obama? The good news is this should be very easy for you to find. All you have to do is look for any bill that passed through the Senate with fewer than 60 votes. Even more good news for you... it would be a very short list... Edited January 26, 2021 by Starkiller IsntLifeFunny, and tgo 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgo Posted January 26, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 3 hours ago, luvyablue256 said: So the GOP is going to filibuster every damned bill that hits the chamber? Were you not paying attention during the last years of the Obama administration? Yes, any bill of real consequence, meaning any of the Dems legislative priorities, will get filibustered. Other than a bipartisan omnibus or NDAA. ChesterCopperpot1, and oldschool 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted January 26, 2021 Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 5 hours ago, luvyablue256 said: So the GOP is going to filibuster every damned bill that hits the chamber? Yep. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctm Posted January 26, 2021 Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 The filibuster isn't an all or nothing thing. Manchin said he wasn't in favor of doing away with the filibuster. That statement doesn't preclude him from voting to reform/change the use of it. They could easily change the rule where the minority (40) has to be present at all times for a vote instead of the majority having to have 60 votes. Just change the rule to 3/5 of those present to vote. Make the republicans stay in town all weekend, every weekend in case there is a vote. There are other ways the rule could be modified with out abolishing it and McConnell knew it. McConnell knew he had a losing hand. Manchin gave him public cover to fold. oldschool, IsntLifeFunny, and tgo 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvyablue256 Posted January 26, 2021 Report Share Posted January 26, 2021 7 hours ago, Starkiller said: Like I asked, what Democratic bills did the GOP not try to filibuster under Obama? The good news is this should be very easy for you to find. All you have to do is look for any bill that passed through the Senate with fewer than 60 votes. Even more good news for you... it would be a very short list... They didn't filibuster a bunch of bills. They simply didn't bring them to the floor because McConnell controlled the calendar. Schumer now controls what hits the floor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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