Starkiller Posted January 15, 2021 Report Share Posted January 15, 2021 19 minutes ago, oldschool said: Do we need them to? The votes in the House are there and only Manchin is an issue in the Senate. I'm willing to bet they can find a few replacement votes to offset Manchin from the Romney-Collins-Murkowsi-Sasse Bloc. Yes, Republicans would need to vote for it. Or at least not filibuster it. Some of the things in the bill would qualify for reconciliation but certainly not all of it. oldschool, and IsntLifeFunny 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titans279 Posted January 15, 2021 Report Share Posted January 15, 2021 Gonna be interesting to watch this play out! tgo, and oldschool 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted January 15, 2021 Report Share Posted January 15, 2021 15 minutes ago, Titans279 said: Gonna be interesting to watch this play out! They need to bust the Filibuster. Fuck Manchin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titans279 Posted January 15, 2021 Report Share Posted January 15, 2021 Budget reconciliation (only for certain things, only once per year) is such a kludge. I hate the inelegance of our government. It's just as a horribly designed system. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChesterCopperpot1 Posted January 15, 2021 Report Share Posted January 15, 2021 1 hour ago, tgo said: There’s just no way to sugarcoat this: it’s been a disaster. The federal govt should have just said “here ya go states. Have at it.” Because that’s how you end up with HVAC Man leading the charge, and he might legitimately be retarded. The vaccine administration in Tennessee has been one of the worst in the country. tgo, and IsntLifeFunny 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted January 15, 2021 Report Share Posted January 15, 2021 4 minutes ago, Titans279 said: Budget reconciliation (only for certain things, only once per year) is such a kludge. I hate the inelegance of our government. It's just as a horribly designed system. The system assumes a willingness to find common ground and it worked for 200 years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titans279 Posted January 15, 2021 Report Share Posted January 15, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, oldschool said: The system assumes a willingness to find common ground and it worked for 200 years. It worked especially well when it was run by people elected by white land owning males only! Edited January 15, 2021 by Titans279 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted January 15, 2021 Report Share Posted January 15, 2021 (edited) The good news is that Democrats can use budget reconciliation twice this year because there was no 2021 budget ever passed. And then they can use it once in 2022. Still, while it can do a number of things bugetarily, it’s limited. There are a lot of things that Dems want to do that you can’t pass through reconciliation. I'd start by asking for Republicans to pass a COVID bill. Give them a chance. Let them either stand with Democrats or oppose moving forward. If they continue to obstruct, hit them with reconciliation bills. And if they can talk Manchin into it, kill the filibuster to get things passed that all Democrats agree with. Edited January 15, 2021 by Starkiller Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titans279 Posted January 15, 2021 Report Share Posted January 15, 2021 10 minutes ago, oldschool said: The system assumes a willingness to find common ground and it worked for 200 years. Also this is just incorrect. The filibuster was created by accident and the founders envisioned things being passed by simple majorities. In fact, they were for a long time. https://www.brookings.edu/testimonies/the-history-of-the-filibuster/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted January 15, 2021 Report Share Posted January 15, 2021 3 minutes ago, Titans279 said: Also this is just incorrect. The filibuster was created by accident and the founders envisioned things being passed by simple majorities. In fact, they were for a long time. https://www.brookings.edu/testimonies/the-history-of-the-filibuster/ I was speaking in general eeyore. The system at its core relies on two parties finding common ground, not treating each other like enemies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titans279 Posted January 15, 2021 Report Share Posted January 15, 2021 1 minute ago, oldschool said: I was speaking in general eeyore. The system at its core relies on two parties finding common ground, not treating each other like enemies. Except... the thing that forces compromise and common ground is the filibuster. The thing you say they should get rid of. The thing that was created by accident with no intention to force people to find common ground. The system, at its core, requires simple majorities which in a two party system doesn't require common ground between the parties. oldschool, and titanruss 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted January 15, 2021 Report Share Posted January 15, 2021 My main issue with Biden was that I didn't trust him to really fight for the middle-class. If he fights like hell for this plan, he'll have earned my trust. No way the republicans give democrats this win easily though. Even if they know it's what the country needs, they have to know that if the American people receive this level of critical help from the democrats, after 4 years of Republican futility, it's over for them. IsntLifeFunny 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanruss Posted January 15, 2021 Report Share Posted January 15, 2021 16 hours ago, IsntLifeFunny said: The ending of tipped minimum wage is going to be a tough one in the south. Restaurants flock to these regions because of it. It doesn’t mean it will hit a large percentage of their bottom line, but in my experience these people are ideologically driven and will take it out on the workers. Makes zero sense. If you don't make enough tips to cover minimum wage the restaurant has to make up the rest.... so you always at least get minimum wage. If its $15, you will always get at least $15. WG53, and titanthakur 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted January 15, 2021 Report Share Posted January 15, 2021 1 hour ago, Mythos27 said: My main issue with Biden was that I didn't trust him to really fight for the middle-class. If he fights like hell for this plan, he'll have earned my trust. No way the republicans give democrats this win easily though. Even if they know it's what the country needs, they have to know that if the American people receive this level of critical help from the democrats, after 4 years of Republican futility, it's over for them. Kasich gets a lot wrong but something he gets right is that the Republican party can't just be the opposition party moving forward. They have to find common ground or present their own ideas. Just being against anything the left proposes to ward off socialism isn't a winning strategy nationally. Mythos27 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitansFan777 Posted January 15, 2021 Report Share Posted January 15, 2021 9 minutes ago, oldschool said: Kasich gets a lot wrong but something he gets right is that the Republican party can't just be the opposition party moving forward. They have to find common ground or present their own ideas. Just being against anything the left proposes to ward off socialism isn't a winning strategy nationally. But it is a winning strategy, just a winning strategy that is morally bankrupt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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