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4 hours ago, patsplat said:

 

Rather than speaking purely in hypotheticals, I'd like to point out that the Spanish flu actually originated in the United States.

 

So aside from the extreme destructiveness of the proposed response, the response would likely be miss targeted.

 

This is like going after a cock roach with an RPG.

 

You miss the point of the downplaying of the virus... blocking people out from researching and helping... not alerting other nations on time.. etc.

 

Also.. we are talking responses to the hypothetical that they did it on purpose.

 

Last, we have no idea where the spanish flu originated. We DO know the first reported case was a military guy in the USA.

 

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So let me get this straight. Y'all think either   A) China rolled the dice on human civilization for an outside shot at slightly expediting the thing they were already successfully accomplis

The above is why some people believe China intentionally released the virus. 

While I find this to be a conspiracy - if it were true, it'd be a safe bet for China, that enough Americans would be asshole enough to perpetuate the spread, just as they have done.

7 hours ago, patsplat said:

 

Rather than speaking purely in hypotheticals, I'd like to point out that the Spanish flu actually originated in the United States.

 

So aside from the extreme destructiveness of the proposed response, the response would likely be miss targeted.

 

This is like going after a cock roach with an RPG.

My response is pretty much what @titanruss posted.

 

The hypothetical was based upon 100% certainty that China maliciously did this to harm others.

 

Very different situation than a virus that originates somewhere and innocently spreads elsewhere.

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10 hours ago, titanruss said:

 

You miss the point of the downplaying of the virus... blocking people out from researching and helping... not alerting other nations on time.. etc.

 

Also.. we are talking responses to the hypothetical that they did it on purpose.

 

Last, we have no idea where the spanish flu originated. We DO know the first reported case was a military guy in the USA.

 


By this logic the US also should be nuked for downplaying the virus, blocking scientists out from helping, etc etc.

What idiotic argument is next?  That only the Blue cities will get nuked in retaliation so there's no downside?

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3 hours ago, patsplat said:

 


By this logic the US also should be nuked for downplaying the virus, blocking scientists out from helping, etc etc.

What idiotic argument is next?  That only the Blue cities will get nuked in retaliation so there's no downside?

No.. because my logic never involved "nuking"

 

you're really falling behind here and are in dire need of a rehash on critical thinking. 

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What does any of this mean?  How is a lower percentage of world GDP losing?  If the world GDP grew 50% while  a country's share of it fell from 20% to 15%, that country is worse off? 

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1 hour ago, titanruss said:

No.. because my logic never involved "nuking"

 

you're really falling behind here and are in dire need of a rehash on critical thinking. 

 

Apparently you've helicoptered into some friendly bs between @abenjami and I, and now you would like to evac

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On 1/4/2021 at 1:06 PM, abenjami said:

 

Do you not understand hypotheticals?

 

I think so. Let's see.

 

Hypothetically, it would seem really paranoid and dumb were a person to posit a conspiracy where China intentionally unleashed a deadly virus into the wild like some kind of super villain.

 

Hypothetically, even if China were a super villain, this plan requires incalculable risk for questionable gain.

  

Am I doing it right?

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On 1/4/2021 at 11:46 AM, titanruss said:

I don't think anyone said either of these things. 
 

it's purely a thought exercise on if it's possible... how... why.. and what to do about it. 
 

obviously it is possible... and culturally a/politically the way they can control their own population (or just don't give a fuck if they die) gives them an advantage with limiting the virus. 

 

You're obviously gaslighting here. It's not a 'thought exercise', it's conspiratorial nonsense. You're waxing bullshit and couching it in 'It's possible, I'm on the fence, who knows?' That's the Alex Jones playbook.

 

 

 

 

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5 minutes ago, T-RAC said:

 

You're obviously gaslighting here. It's not a 'thought exercise', it's conspiratorial nonsense. You're waxing bullshit and couching it in 'It's possible, I'm on the fence, who knows?' That's the Alex Jones playbook.

 

 

 

 

1. Your definition of gaslighting is off.

2. I'm a democrat.

3. I lived in china and know their incompetencies.

4. That lab has had several accidental breaches with viruses before.

5.  I never said they did anything intentionally... I said some people believe they did something intentionally - which is not even arguable so what the fuck is your point other than being too afraid to think about things?

6. It's OK to have hypotheticals and thought experiments and discuss it rationally.. you, however, have lost a lost of respect here because I thought your brain was flexible enough to dive into these type of things but you come in here instigating.

7. your'e wrong.

8. lol

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6 hours ago, titanruss said:

1. Your definition of gaslighting is off.

Not really

 

2. I'm a democrat.

Good

 

3. I lived in china and know their incompetencies.

You've pointed that out before

 

4. That lab has had several accidental breaches with viruses before.

A lab mistake is a perfectly plausible origin, and I'm pretty sure I posted that early on in the Virus from China thread.

 

5.  I never said they did anything intentionally... I said some people believe they did something intentionally - which is not even arguable so what the fuck is your point other than being too afraid to think about things?

Dude. Your exact words were, "im on the fence. i dont think they manufactured it... but i do think it came from that lab. on purpose or not.. i dunno." 

 

6. It's OK to have hypotheticals and thought experiments and discuss it rationally.. you, however, have lost a lost of respect here because I thought your brain was flexible enough to dive into these type of things but you come in here instigating.

I don't need respect on the internet, only those sweet sweet laughing emojis.

 

7. your'e wrong.

About what? The idea China intentionally released the virus is conspiratorial nonsense? I did consider the premise and found it lacking because China would have so much to lose and not much to gain they don't already have.

 

8. lol

I'm counting this as a laughing emoji.

 

 

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7 hours ago, titanruss said:

The redneck raccoon needs to go back to the trash can he crawled out of until he can discuss with the grownups.

 

I'll try to be nicer when ridiculing other people's posts.

 

As long as they're Democrats.

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There's little doubt that China covered things up and hindered other nations from doing critical research....but I have a hard time believing the virus was intentionally released on the world as a biological weapon.    Had that been the case, they would have developed something far more potent with a fatality rate far beyond 1%.

 

Did China cover it up and hide things from the rest of the world?    I'm sure they did.

 

But the fact is, China hasn't had much of a role beyond the first few weeks...maybe a couple months, tops.    Even if we hold them responsible for the initial release of the virus last December/January....everything that's happened since then falls squarely on the shoulders of the rest of the world's leaders for failing to protect their own people.

 

As the virus started to spread, each nation developed its own strategy for dealing with it.    Sadly, most of those strategies failed horribly....only a handful of countries had significant success containing it.   

 

But the fact that a few countries were successful  shows that it CAN be done if done correctly;   America's response from day one was an exercise in what NOT to do.    Done correctly, we could have mitigated much of the economic collapse and avoided tens or hundreds of thousands of deaths.      These catastrophic cost and lives lost were a direct result of America's piss-poor response to the virus.....and that failure is 100% on us as a national.   And it all started at the top.

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This notion of a China cover up is ridiculous when the news was that they put millions on hard lock down in January.

 

https://nyti.ms/36pDxCU

 

I don't care for a reprise of "blame china" because that idiocy is what got us into the mess to start.  Trump was banning Chinese people, while allowing Americans from China, flying back Americans with coronavirus from the cruise ship, leaving flights open from Europe, and generally being a fucking idiot thinking that the Chinese virus was gonna have a Chinese passport and then afterwards that it was a Blue state virus that wasn't going to affect his voters.

 

It's a fucking virus, it doesn't give a shit about politics, and the USA has been doing almost everything possible wrong.

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If a pandemic can be hypothetically state sponsored, a logical next question is why isn't the US investing in a robust public health department at Defense department funding levels?

 

It's arguably more important than missle defense since it would also protect against threats that were not state sponsored as well.

 

Oh yeah, "socialism" ?

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