charleytolar Posted November 24, 2020 Report Share Posted November 24, 2020 50 minutes ago, TWR said: The colts hit on 2 of their picks last (2019)year the other 7-8 picks are either off the team or will be after this season (Paris Campbell) the Steelers don’t even roster 7 of their draft picks from 2019. the draft falls this way for most teams- there’s a less than 50% success rate and the teams that suck more in the nfl don’t suck more because of their draft picks, it’s typically because of their QB play or their ability to protect their QB and in turn impacts his play. yes the draft is important, and it’s helpful to the overall roster when you can hit on your 1st and 2nd round picks, but the league as a whole doesn’t have a great success rate with the draft. That is shocking about the Steelers 2019 draft. I'll have to look at that. Maybe I'm just the jealous type, but it feels like I'm always envious of the drafts garnered by the Steelers and Ravens (old Oiler fan here) and the Colts. Seems like they always find more contributors. japan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charleytolar Posted November 24, 2020 Report Share Posted November 24, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, TWR said: the Steelers don’t even roster 7 of their draft picks from 2019. 1-10: Devin Bush, LB (Michigan): Signed 3-66: Diontae Johnson, WR (Toledo): Signed 3-83: Justin Layne, CB (Michigan State): Signed 4-122: Benny Snell, RB (Kentucky): Signed 5-141: Zach Gentry, TE (Michigan): Signed 6-175: Sutton Smith, LB (Northern Illinois): Signed 6-192: Isaiah Buggs, DT (Alabama): Signed 6-207: Ulysees Gilbert III, LB (Akron): Signed 7-219: Derwin Gray, OL (Maryland): Signed That is the Steeler 2019 draft class. All but 6-175 and 7-219 are listed on the team roster... in addition to 5 FAs. The Steelers show a total of 12 second-year players on their roster including almost all of that 2019 draft class. Maybe you are thinking of 2018 or something? NOPE-- they show nine 3rd year players rostered. Edited November 24, 2020 by charleytolar ChemEngr79 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiscotitansfan Posted November 24, 2020 Report Share Posted November 24, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Starkiller said: But he isn’t remotely some elite, perfect GM. For real though, who are the elite GMs? For years Packer fans would brag about Ted Thompson and lived by the "In TT We Trust" mantra that polluted this state. He had like 45 or 50 of the 53 man roster as drafted, home grown talent. He was a shit GM because him being so adamant on not ever paying for a starter in Free Agency. Everyone LOVED TT..... He leaves and the Smith Twins start being the face of the defense after they get paid and the team immediately improves even without taking into account Rodgers. I'm honestly just a little curious as to what GM is elite, because as long as a QB is on the team, pretty shitty GM's usually look pretty damn good no matter what. (not implying anything about JRob) Edited November 24, 2020 by wiscotitansfan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmmmmbeeer Posted November 24, 2020 Report Share Posted November 24, 2020 Where is this narrative coming from that Vrabel is running things and JRob is just this weak, meager chimp who scurries to do whatever Vrabel wants him to do? The coaching staff is Vrabel's. If he wants to be his own DC, that's his decision as HC to make. JRob can obviously trump him but does he really want to create friction by overruling his HC over a decision the HC is empowered to make? Pick your battles and all that.... No GM is 'perfect'. Name a GM who has not made poor signings, had busted draft picks, or had failures on their franchise's coaching staff. You can't. That GM doesn't exist. It can be argued that JRob has one of the highest levels of accountability in the NFL, both with coaches and players. You don't get with the program? You're out. He worked to fire a head coach who made it to the playoffs, FFS. We're in very good shape with JRob at the helm. I think he's one of the top 5 GMs in the league. IsntLifeFunny 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschool Posted November 24, 2020 Report Share Posted November 24, 2020 1 hour ago, TWR said: Also do you think any team did better than the titans in the 2019 draft ? Simmons AJ Brown Nate Davis Amani Hooker David Long Walker didn’t cut it, was a developmental pass rusher worth the shot of a 5th round pick. im not saying Robinson is perfect, but the 2019 draft was very impressive- the talent and depth we’ve added to this team in his tenure is also impressive. When could we have ever lost a Pro bowl LT and LG in the past and go out and hang 30 on the Ravens for a W? give the 2020 draft class some time, it’s a weird year- and even if it does pan out to be bleh that’s the curve- Overall he’s good at the draft, typically adds pieces in FA that workout for the team —- just really needs to be better hitting at Edge. Yup. Its also way too early to give him shit over the 2020 draft. japan, ChemEngr79, and JT2000 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudsOilers Posted November 24, 2020 Report Share Posted November 24, 2020 7 minutes ago, wiscotitansfan said: For real though, who are the elite GMs? For years Packer fans would brag about Ted Thompson and lived by the "In TT We Trust" mantra that polluted this state. He had like 45 of the 53 man roster as drafted, home grown talent. He was a shit GM because him being so adamant on not ever paying for a starter in Free Agency. Everyone LOVED TT..... He leaves and the Smith Twins start being the face of the defense after they get paid and the team immediately improves even without taking into account Rodgers. I'm honestly just a little curious as to what GM is elite, because as long as a QB is on the team, pretty shitty GM's usually look pretty damn good no matter what. (not implying anything about JRob) This is pretty spot on. If you don't have a stud QB, it's nearly impossible to have sustained big time winning and it goes without saying that getting a really good to great QB is the ultimate crap shoot. This team was a mediocre team at best before Tannehill fell into their laps. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charleytolar Posted November 24, 2020 Report Share Posted November 24, 2020 I guess Matt Ryan kept Dimitrov and Quinn employed way past their usefulness. Number9 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWR Posted November 25, 2020 Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 7 hours ago, charleytolar said: 1-10: Devin Bush, LB (Michigan): Signed 3-66: Diontae Johnson, WR (Toledo): Signed 3-83: Justin Layne, CB (Michigan State): Signed 4-122: Benny Snell, RB (Kentucky): Signed 5-141: Zach Gentry, TE (Michigan): Signed 6-175: Sutton Smith, LB (Northern Illinois): Signed 6-192: Isaiah Buggs, DT (Alabama): Signed 6-207: Ulysees Gilbert III, LB (Akron): Signed 7-219: Derwin Gray, OL (Maryland): Signed That is the Steeler 2019 draft class. All but 6-175 and 7-219 are listed on the team roster... in addition to 5 FAs. The Steelers show a total of 12 second-year players on their roster including almost all of that 2019 draft class. Maybe you are thinking of 2018 or something? NOPE-- they show nine 3rd year players rostered. Roster was a poor choice of wording, because i meant won’t roster likely after this year like i mention with the colts and Paris Campbell. Steelers Justin Layne 3rd pick- 10 career tackles, be surprised if he makes it another year. Benny Snell i marked as a hit, but hardly a hit. 195 yards rushing this season with a 3.5YPC /+ a sub 4 YPA avg in his entire career. He could be let go this offseason or atleast won’t see a second contract. Gentry has played in 6 career games and one career catch and just caught a trip to the IR, he will be cut this offseason. Sutton Smith is bouncing around the league, likely already out of it. Isaiah Buggs I’ll be honest i thought he was already cut but that’s coming— 13 career total tackles. He’ll be replaced. ulysees Gilbert has 3 career solo tackles and no registered stats this year, likely not making the team next year. derwin gray has played 9 career snaps, doesn’t look like he will be sticking around. IsntLifeFunny 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downtown Posted November 25, 2020 Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 9 hours ago, oldschool said: Yup. Its also way too early to give him shit over the 2020 draft. I look at 2020 as a draft where JRob swung for the fences and hit a foul ball. The only real unforgivable given the depth and roster of the team going into the draft is drafting Cole McDonald when the top kicker is sitting there. I have to think JRob thought he could sign Blankenship as an UFA. I HOPE JRob thought he could just sign Blankenship.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted November 25, 2020 Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 It’s far too early to judge the 2020 draft. The top guys have all been injured. As for drafting a kicker, it’s generally a poor idea. Usually kickers take a few years to mature. Plenty of drafted kickers have been busts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWR Posted November 25, 2020 Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 1 minute ago, Starkiller said: It’s far too early to judge the 2020 draft. The top guys have all been injured. As for drafting a kicker, it’s generally a poor idea. Usually kickers take a few years to mature. Plenty of drafted kickers have been busts. And It’s not like Rodrigo was some amazing college kicker. He missed 6 FGs his senior year and was a career 82% in college. Gostkowski is a career 87+% in 14 NFL seasons for perspective. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post OILERMAN Posted November 25, 2020 Popular Post Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 These arguments about whether Robinson is elite or a great GM are meaningless. Building an NFL team is always changing inexact process that requires risk/reward decisions based on how close the team is to contending. Mistakes and misses are guaranteed to be part of this process. The real question is does Robinson know what he's doing? Absolutely. Is Isaiah Wilson a bust? Who knows. But signing Kelly as a stop gap and drafting a RT who fits the scheme to take over long term is a much better decision than overpaying Jack Conklin in my opinion. The thought process is what counts, not the result. Robinson drafted Fulton to take over in the nickel for Logan Ryan. Fulton has been injured and Chris Jackson has been terrible, he's a 7th round rookie. So Robinson acquired Desmond King to fix that issue. Is this route better than overpaying Logan Ryan? Absolutely. Robinson signed Clowney and Beasily. Both were flawed but talented athletes with histories of good to great play. These are high risk moves a contending team makes. Going for it while Tannehill is in his prime is the right strategy in my opinion. Is Roninson elite or a top 3 GM? Subjective. I'll gladly take him. BTW the team is 7-3 and playing for the division lead Sunday IsntLifeFunny, BudsOilers, Eighteen, and 8 others 8 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post OILERMAN Posted November 25, 2020 Popular Post Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 BTW I'm definitely extending King this off season Jas, IrishTitansFan, IsntLifeFunny, and 3 others 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctm Posted November 25, 2020 Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 16 minutes ago, OILERMAN said: BTW I'm definitely extending King this off season Smith and King are #1 & #2. The question is whether there will cap space for a #3. titanskick8851 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishTitansFan Posted November 25, 2020 Report Share Posted November 25, 2020 56 minutes ago, OILERMAN said: BTW I'm definitely extending King this off season Agreed. He'll be cheap too. Nickel defenders are way undervalued on the open market OILERMAN 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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