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2 hours ago, tgo said:

 

 

I read an article earlier tonight stating the GSA has the right to determine if an election has been won, even if not certified.  

It's clear Trump has laid down the word....He's won until proven otherwise.  I'd even modify that to say that he thinks he's won period, proof or not.  

 

We all know, even our board right wingers, he's not going to accept defeat.  GOP leadership knows it too, they're just hoping they don't have to make a stand against him, which also means his base, which they have no control over.  Alternatively, the investigations shows some voter fraud, not enough to turn the election, but that gives the shouting from the roof top moment, as they tend to do.  

This will be the moment the right accepts or rejects democracy.  What was that quote?  "If conservatives become convinced that they can not win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. The will reject democracy."  

 

This appears to be playing out.  What we have to accept is legal challenges and investigations to the vote.  I'm okay with that.  Because that aforementioned quote will be important moving forward.  

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1 minute ago, IsntLifeFunny said:

I can appreciate that. I know a ton of wealthy and intelligent good natured people who voted for a Trump. We don’t disagree here. 
 

But Biden did win. If a Trump has of won I would have been pissed off, but I would not have been condoning violence, and I would not be saying the election was a fraud without blatant evidence. If anyone on the left called for it I would immediately slap them down.
 

This is coming from the top ranks of the Republicans. We aren’t dealing with hypotheticals here. This is reality. We don’t know what Trump will do, but we know with his every breath he is doing all he can to wreck our free and democratic elections while tearing this country apart. That isn’t hyperbole. Seriously, go read his tweets. It’s all there in his own words.

Exactly, because you are a logical and decent person. We don’t know what Trump will do, but I trust that he will get in line

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34 minutes ago, AvgJoe said:

It’s worth noting that George W Bush did not receive the funds or transition materials until December 2000 due to the legal fight that went on. It’s November 9th. This is not unprecedented when there has been a contested election. 
 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sun-sentinel.com/news/fl-xpm-2000-11-28-0011271215-story,amp.html


This is true, but there’s still no reason not to begin the transition process. This isn’t a close election based on the margin in PA added to his leads in GA and AZ, too.

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2 minutes ago, AvgJoe said:

Exactly, because you are a logical and decent person. We don’t know what Trump will do, but I trust that he will get in line

You have far more faith than I. My apologies for getting at you. I appreciate your words. I don’t agree with you, and I really do wish and hope more like you start to see this for what it really is: a blatant attempt to discredit our election system and seize power. 

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Just now, IsntLifeFunny said:

You have far more faith than I. My apologies for letting getting at you. I appreciate your words. I don’t agree with you, and I really do wish and hope more like you start to see this for what it really is: a blatant attempt to discredit our election system and seize power. 

It’s a beautiful thing when people can disagree without name calling or drawing pistols at sundown lol. Thanks for the kind words

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12 minutes ago, AvgJoe said:

It’s a beautiful thing when people can disagree without name calling or drawing pistols at sundown lol. Thanks for the kind words

I believe a whole lot of people, both left and right, can benefit from this idea.  We really need to let go of that.  

That said, can you agree Trump is drawing dangerous parallels here?  Hey, I'm okay with him presenting his case.  He should have the right to do so.  But honestly, deep down, do you think if his case doesn't stand up, do you think he should defy the will of the people?  Do you believe Trump will accept the results?  If he does not, will you do the same?  

 

 

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1 hour ago, AvgJoe said:

It’s also propaganda that Trump is going to barricade himself in the Oval Office and refuse to come out. Call a spade a spade man. He’s going to leave, go to FL, play golf, and fuck pornstars. 

 

wanna make a bet?....

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1 hour ago, AvgJoe said:

I voted for him. A ton of people I know voted for him including a lot of business owners. I’ve got friends and family that voted for Biden too. You are allowing the creation of fear in your mind by the media as if a revolution is coming. Don’t let the stupid few on our side who would be moronic in their actions make you think it’s the majority and I won’t let the stupid few on the Dem side impact my mindset. 

Trump is trying to incite violence. He is trying to manufacture a coup with either the justice department or the Supreme Court.  But Biden's strategy has been the right one all through the election.  Under react.  Trump can't do anything.   If it takes until after the electors to really start the transition moving- then so be it.   In the mean time, if Biden's team has a legal case about them not holding up their obligations- then they will and should pursue it. 

 

All in all - the lesson is to under react, to let these things play out.  In the end, Trump will be gone and Biden and his team will be installed.  Then we'll move on to the next. 

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What Trump is doing could have been done by the vast majority of Presidential election losers in US history, they just had the class and dignity to not do this, for the betterment of the country.

 

It's good to see a long term poster in @AvgJoe join in as a sensible voice for the Trump voting side, which has been sorely lacking here since 2015, but unless you truly believe there was a grand conspiracy orchestrated across multiple states involving hundreds (thousands?) of people working in unison and undetected until this point, then supporting this nonsense is damaging for the country, at a time it really doesn't need it.

 

By not vehemently rejecting this, you are supporting it. Yes, it is so far fairly procedural and by the book, but it can go off script and into chaos very quickly. Just because cable news networks exaggerate, doesn't mean it isn't a valid concern. If Trump and Co were planning something truly disgraceful and corrupt, this is how it would start, so you can't just brush this stuff off. It's not like getting an inch into this path means you can't back out or correct course, but it becomes harder to do so the longer it goes on. No plan for how long Trump's gambit on US democracy will be tolerated is a bad plan.

 

I think a sensible partisan person must accept that your side won't win every election and administer every government into the future. So therefore, electoral defeat is part of the process. It is not too different than bushland burning so new life and vegetation can sprout. Such people should ask themselves, is it worth chinking at the armor of democracy to appease the ego of a sociopath? every little bit of structural damage counts and lasts.

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8 hours ago, Pragidealist said:

Trump is trying to incite violence. He is trying to manufacture a coup with either the justice department or the Supreme Court.  But Biden's strategy has been the right one all through the election.  Under react.  Trump can't do anything.   If it takes until after the electors to really start the transition moving- then so be it.   In the mean time, if Biden's team has a legal case about them not holding up their obligations- then they will and should pursue it. 

 

All in all - the lesson is to under react, to let these things play out.  In the end, Trump will be gone and Biden and his team will be installed.  Then we'll move on to the next. 

Trump and his supporters are still in the denial phase.  They are also fighting a battle that they can't win.  Not a good plan.

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