Popular Post rns90 Posted October 22, 2020 Popular Post Report Share Posted October 22, 2020 5 minutes ago, IsntLifeFunny said: He’s become surgical with his pre-snap reads. He is finding the open guy down the field at an amazing clip. Besides that, his accuracy has been absolutely pinpoint. That pass to Firsker over the nickel and safety was an absolute thing of beauty. It went over the corner’s hands by an inch or two. The third and 17 to Raymond was just filthy. If he puts that anywhere else where Raymond cannot keep full stride no way does he pick up that first. Yes it was a simple throw, but the precision was off the charts. He’s been doing it basically week in and week out. His ability to keep receivers in stride has to be his best feature, with quick processing a close second. I said in a couple threads now, if he develops outside the pocket we are going to be unstoppable. He shown improvement the last two games. If he can just become above average in that facet he’s easily top 3. Great post. It's kinda why that he needs Tannehill needs some sort of offense to succeed is silly. That type of accuracy and intelligence plays in any offense. Oh another point, didn't most of the board want more pass attempts. Well they got it and the results have been off the charts and superb. And there's still complaining of some sort? IsntLifeFunny, Mythos27, StephenIsLegend, and 2 others 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenIsLegend Posted October 22, 2020 Report Share Posted October 22, 2020 14 minutes ago, rns90 said: Great post. It's kinda why that he needs Tannehill needs some sort of offense to succeed is silly. That type of accuracy and intelligence plays in any offense. Oh another point, didn't most of the board want more pass attempts. Well they got it and the results have been off the charts and superb. And there's still complaining of some sort? I'll definitely say that I am insanely glad we are becoming more pass-happy. Tannehill is doing a phenomenal job. It feels fucking good to have a franchise QB. Mythos27, and big2033 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
socaltitan Posted October 22, 2020 Report Share Posted October 22, 2020 The pass/run ratio is pretty much the same it was last season. Not so sure it’s about being more pass happy. We’re just running more plays. Mythos27, BudsOilers, and pat 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
socaltitan Posted October 22, 2020 Report Share Posted October 22, 2020 20 minutes ago, rns90 said: And there's still complaining of some sort? This is TR. The team could go 16-0, win the SB, and we’d still complain about something Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaskill15 Posted October 22, 2020 Report Share Posted October 22, 2020 1 hour ago, IsntLifeFunny said: That pass to Firsker over the nickel and safety was an absolute thing of beauty. It went over the corner’s hands by an inch or two. Not to mention a defender was RIGHT in his face to the point where he couldn’t even finish his follow through. That throw was unreal. Mythos27, and IsntLifeFunny 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted October 22, 2020 Report Share Posted October 22, 2020 8 minutes ago, gaskill15 said: Not to mention a defender was RIGHT in his face to the point where he couldn’t even finish his follow through. That throw was unreal. Yep. Lewan was abused on that play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GLinks Posted October 22, 2020 Report Share Posted October 22, 2020 5 hours ago, oldschool said: Asking Wilson to throw or getting him on the edge where he can run is never a bad thing. The only reason you and others think it was a bad call was because of the great defensive play the Pats made to force the Int. If Wilson throws a TD, no one bitches about the call. That take is totally incorrect. One, stop believing you understand why other people come to different conclusions than yours. You do this because you can’t see past your own scope of thinking and observation, suspicion and conclusion, then you conclude for everyone who disagrees that they arrived to the same diametrically stupid conclusion opposite yours because they didn’t go down the same rabbit hole, which you’re way down on this one. I’ll just simplify it for you: Carroll made one of the worst calls of the possible options from a risk and security standpoint, even in a microscope. You’re going with this cavalier “That shoulda worked” mentality. It’s basic. Ya basic. Both run and pass have low odds of success for stoppage or turnover for a defense on 2nd and 1, especially considering when the field of play is 1 yard for offense to attain. But get this simple fact: In it’s purest form, the odds of mistakes are higher for the offense in the passing game, while the odds of success are higher in the running game. The Seahawks and Carroll thought they were likely to succeed either way they went, and they were, but no matter how small the perceived chance of turnover was, they ignored it for the larger odds of success. Add to that the way they attacked through the air, which was by design. They tried to force Lockett(?) in by moving the line back instead of just forward with Lynch. They gave a smaller guy room to run at the interior as you’d expect the big guy to run, except the big guy would have had more time to secure the ball! The Seahawks thought they were going to open the mouth of the defense and get in via air before the teeth clamped shut, so getting Lynch or Wilson outside in space would have been theoretically safer. People gripe about the wildcat play, but consider that the Texans and Titans both disrupted the ball in the end zone in the same game. That last play really just doubled down on Henry’s odds of success because it started with playing the odds of security first and foremost. Lol, and hell yeah it was cringeworthy! And gloriously awesome at the same time. Yeah, be confident in your QB and passing game, but in any situation, smart confidence is better than confidence alone. And fuck you for making me type this much. Mythos27, and oldschool 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justafan Posted October 22, 2020 Report Share Posted October 22, 2020 Bad QBs will have a good game every now and then. Average QBs will put up big stats for 2-3 maybe even 4-5 games in a row before dropping a whopper. Mariota would have 1 good game 2 bad, 1 good game 1 bad. 1 good 5 bad. Josh Allen was dominant, for 3-4 weeks. Good QBs put up good stats and they do it over a long period of time. This isn't that hard. I don't know why people try to make it more complicated than it is. You can't use those stats! Yes you can retard, that's why they are there! Just don't take stats from a small sample size and conclude that it justifies the total body of work. That's why we know that guys like Lamar Jackson will never be consistently top tier unless he can become a better passer. That's why guys like Brady will always be good until the arm gives out. That's why Manning was good for years in Indy and then went to Denver and was still good. Total talent matters but you cannot consistently compete at the top level in the NFL without at least good QB play. OILERMAN, and Mythos27 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
big2033 Posted October 22, 2020 Report Share Posted October 22, 2020 11 hours ago, OILERMAN said: Did you not see RT's stats without playaction? He was great last season without playaction The one game RT played last year without Henry he had a 133 passer rating and threw 3 TDs and 0 INTs. Was the defense going all out to stop Dion Lewis? Every QB can have success in this offense? That's just flat out stupid. Tannehill is great because he processes info quickly, makes right reads and delivers super accurate passes. Very few QBs can do this. It's got nothing to do with playaction or defenses trying to stop the run game I think you took my comments a bit too literally. I said any QB can have a modicum of success in a run-first offense. I meant run first not just play action specifically. I mean more a run-first offense that sets up the PA pass. Russell Wilson was in a run-first offense. And we all know what he did with it. Still a run-first offense is at it's core the easiest offense for a QB to grow in. It protects him. And allows him to make plays from that base. But in the end the big plays are up to the QB. You guys need to stop being so sensitive when it comes to the QB. I know Tannehill has been playing at an MVP level but it doesn't mean we have Peyton Manning. Seems like any little thing I say is blown out of proportion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
big2033 Posted October 22, 2020 Report Share Posted October 22, 2020 (edited) Let me add that I thought last year he was a Jared-Goff type within this offense. It's obvious now that's he's better than that and is trending towards star status. Edited October 22, 2020 by big2033 oldschool, and Mythos27 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudsOilers Posted October 22, 2020 Report Share Posted October 22, 2020 1 hour ago, big2033 said: I think you took my comments a bit too literally. I said any QB can have a modicum of success in a run-first offense. I meant run first not just play action specifically. I mean more a run-first offense that sets up the PA pass. Russell Wilson was in a run-first offense. And we all know what he did with it. Still a run-first offense is at it's core the easiest offense for a QB to grow in. It protects him. And allows him to make plays from that base. But in the end the big plays are up to the QB. You guys need to stop being so sensitive when it comes to the QB. I know Tannehill has been playing at an MVP level but it doesn't mean we have Peyton Manning. Seems like any little thing I say is blown out of proportion. This is a completely wrong take/understanding of offensive football. There's this misnomer with fans and even some analysts that teams that value passing efficiency over volume do so to hide a QB. Wilson dealt with this false narrative for years where people would devalue him because he averaged 27 passes a game instead of 35. As for Tannehill, he's playing at peak QB level right now. Like @rns90 said earlier in this thread, what more does he need to do? The Titans have a dominant offense that can drive the field and score TD's in nearly every situation. The one game were they were held under 30 points was the game where Gostkowski missed easy FG's and an extra point AND Brown mistimed catching that pass that would have been a TD. OILERMAN, and oldschool 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
big2033 Posted October 22, 2020 Report Share Posted October 22, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, BudAdams said: This is a completely wrong take/understanding of offensive football. There's this misnomer with fans and even some analysts that teams that value passing efficiency over volume do so to hide a QB. Wilson dealt with this false narrative for years where people would devalue him because he averaged 27 passes a game instead of 35. As for Tannehill, he's playing at peak QB level right now. Like @rns90 said earlier in this thread, what more does he need to do? The Titans have a dominant offense that can drive the field and score TD's in nearly every situation. The one game were they were held under 30 points was the game where Gostkowski missed easy FG's and an extra point AND Brown mistimed catching that pass that would have been a TD. Exactly. My point is that a star QB can do plenty in a run-first offense. So me saying we're in a run-first offense is not a knock on Tannehill as you guys seem to make it to be. I think Wilson is a HOFer and is my favorite QB in the league. And he's been the best QB overall for years. Because if it was Kirk Cousins within this offense, he might do OK but not nearly as well or as efficiently as Tannehill or Wilson. I just think that defenses are still game-planning the most for Henry in our case. Not Tannehill. Maybe that's a mistake on their part ... I think the team that DIDNT focus on Henry were the Patriots in the playoffs last year. Edited October 22, 2020 by big2033 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos27 Posted October 22, 2020 Report Share Posted October 22, 2020 2 hours ago, big2033 said: Exactly. My point is that a star QB can do plenty in a run-first offense. So me saying we're in a run-first offense is not a knock on Tannehill as you guys seem to make it to be. I think Wilson is a HOFer and is my favorite QB in the league. And he's been the best QB overall for years. Because if it was Kirk Cousins within this offense, he might do OK but not nearly as well or as efficiently as Tannehill or Wilson. I just think that defenses are still game-planning the most for Henry in our case. Not Tannehill. Maybe that's a mistake on their part ... I think the team that DIDNT focus on Henry were the Patriots in the playoffs last year. Teams are 100% still gameplanning for Henry over Tannehill and it is the stupidest damn thing I've seen professionals do. I know we're all just random forum troglodytes but it's been obvious for a while that Tannehill is the guy they should gearing up stop. It's crazy that the best football minds in the world seem to be game-planning like the average TV talking head thinks they should. That said, I think the tide is changing and the Texans were the first team to not load the box as often and play more coverage. It didn't exactly work out for them and they got burned by both our studs because they just don't have the defensive talent. If the Steelers are smart, they'll try to limit Tannehill. big2033 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat Posted October 22, 2020 Report Share Posted October 22, 2020 Tannehill's most impressive plays aren't the wide open deep shots. It's the short tight completions that move the chains that are the difference between good and elite play. Mythos27 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
big2033 Posted October 22, 2020 Report Share Posted October 22, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Mythos27 said: Teams are 100% still gameplanning for Henry over Tannehill and it is the stupidest damn thing I've seen professionals do. I know we're all just random forum troglodytes but it's been obvious for a while that Tannehill is the guy they should gearing up stop. It's crazy that the best football minds in the world seem to be game-planning like the average TV talking head thinks they should. That said, I think the tide is changing and the Texans were the first team to not load the box as often and play more coverage. It didn't exactly work out for them and they got burned by both our studs because they just don't have the defensive talent. If the Steelers are smart, they'll try to limit Tannehill. The Steelers have the run d to stop Henry without selling out, so itll prob be on Tannehill. Edited October 22, 2020 by big2033 Mythos27 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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