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He's going to surprise people. His struggles in ATL were mainly due to playing out of position as a 4-3. He's walking into a much better overall defense in Tennessee than what he left in ATL. He's been a pure pass rusher since his college days. We made a good signing.

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3 hours ago, Mythos27 said:

He's going to surprise people. His struggles in ATL were mainly due to playing out of position as a 4-3. He's walking into a much better overall defense in Tennessee than what he left in ATL. He's been a pure pass rusher since his college days. We made a good signing.


Im a little less optimistic than you but still pretty bullish overall on VB. He really should be a no brainer when you look at his combine & college production. He had an all time combine, quite possibly a top 5 edge combine, along with huge college production. And not just his last year. Every year including his freshman year. Most great players are at least good early in college. Then he had big sack production early.

 

A sub 4.5 40 with a 41 vert, 11 foot broad, and 35 bench reps is as explosive as you’ll see.

 

Have you seen him play though? Because his problem seems to be lack of consistent pressure. When he gets pressure he converts it to sacks at a very high%, but he just doesn’t get as much pressure as you’d expect. Usually you’d assume lack of play strength despite the bench reps, it’s the reason you see so many smaller edge guys wash out. But he’s built like a brick shit house.
 

Either way, he could explode here. We obviously liked him, it seemed like we zeroed in on him as soon as we handled RT & DH. I think ideally we’ll see him as simply a sub package left end, lining up wide on some of those big, slow RT’s. Guys like him can seal games out when the big lineman start getting tired in no huddle late in the 4th qtr.

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53 minutes ago, Face said:


Im a little less optimistic than you but still pretty bullish overall on VB. He really should be a no brainer when you look at his combine & college production. He had an all time combine, quite possibly a top 5 edge combine, along with huge college production. And not just his last year. Every year including his freshman year. Most great players are at least good early in college. Then he had big sack production early.

 

A sub 4.5 40 with a 41 vert, 11 foot broad, and 35 bench reps is as explosive as you’ll see.

 

Have you seen him play though? Because his problem seems to be lack of consistent pressure. When he gets pressure he converts it to sacks at a very high%, but he just doesn’t get as much pressure as you’d expect. Usually you’d assume lack of play strength despite the bench reps, it’s the reason you see so many smaller edge guys wash out. But he’s built like a brick shit house.
 

Either way, he could explode here. We obviously liked him, it seemed like we zeroed in on him as soon as we handled RT & DH. I think ideally we’ll see him as simply a sub package left end, lining up wide on some of those big, slow RT’s. Guys like him can seal games out when the big lineman start getting tired in no huddle late in the 4th qtr.

Don’t forget his 3 cone of 6.83 or something wild. 
 

I think his production dropped due to scheme and teams running the ball to close games and not passing and other things. 
 

Atlanta’s defense has been hot garbage and their secondary has been a mess. Also, it doesn’t help when the best players around him drop like flies. Most notably Deon Jones and Keanu Neal 

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8 hours ago, Face said:


Im a little less optimistic than you but still pretty bullish overall on VB. He really should be a no brainer when you look at his combine & college production. He had an all time combine, quite possibly a top 5 edge combine, along with huge college production. And not just his last year. Every year including his freshman year. Most great players are at least good early in college. Then he had big sack production early.

 

A sub 4.5 40 with a 41 vert, 11 foot broad, and 35 bench reps is as explosive as you’ll see.

 

Have you seen him play though? Because his problem seems to be lack of consistent pressure. When he gets pressure he converts it to sacks at a very high%, but he just doesn’t get as much pressure as you’d expect. Usually you’d assume lack of play strength despite the bench reps, it’s the reason you see so many smaller edge guys wash out. But he’s built like a brick shit house.
 

Either way, he could explode here. We obviously liked him, it seemed like we zeroed in on him as soon as we handled RT & DH. I think ideally we’ll see him as simply a sub package left end, lining up wide on some of those big, slow RT’s. Guys like him can seal games out when the big lineman start getting tired in no huddle late in the 4th qtr.

 

I'm interested in seeing how the Titans use him. I don't think they are just going to use him as an edge rusher.

 

The Titans love athletic freaks and they do as good a job as I've seen translating those athletic traits into real on the field production. 

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21 hours ago, Face said:


Im a little less optimistic than you but still pretty bullish overall on VB. He really should be a no brainer when you look at his combine & college production. He had an all time combine, quite possibly a top 5 edge combine, along with huge college production. And not just his last year. Every year including his freshman year. Most great players are at least good early in college. Then he had big sack production early.

 

A sub 4.5 40 with a 41 vert, 11 foot broad, and 35 bench reps is as explosive as you’ll see.

 

Have you seen him play though? Because his problem seems to be lack of consistent pressure. When he gets pressure he converts it to sacks at a very high%, but he just doesn’t get as much pressure as you’d expect. Usually you’d assume lack of play strength despite the bench reps, it’s the reason you see so many smaller edge guys wash out. But he’s built like a brick shit house.
 

Either way, he could explode here. We obviously liked him, it seemed like we zeroed in on him as soon as we handled RT & DH. I think ideally we’ll see him as simply a sub package left end, lining up wide on some of those big, slow RT’s. Guys like him can seal games out when the big lineman start getting tired in no huddle late in the 4th qtr.

It's no secret that his play strength, particularly against the run is a major problem and always has been. Back when he was coming out I remember arguing with a poster who shall remain nameless that taking him at #2 overall would be ridiculous because he was a complete liability vs the run despite godly bench press numbers. This is partly why Atlanta trying to play him as a straight up 4-3 end was stupid as it completely exposed him inability to stand up in the run game. I know we'll use him correctly at the 3-4 rusher he is. We just have to be creative in how we cover up for his deficiencies.

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