SleepingTitan Posted May 4, 2020 Report Share Posted May 4, 2020 This might be the new Klug, but I wouldn't get my hopes up for more than that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgo Posted May 4, 2020 Report Share Posted May 4, 2020 On 4/28/2020 at 11:55 PM, IsntLifeFunny said: That was @Face, who is my guy, but yeah he was definitely all about some Mike Martin. Remember how we basically only drafted wrestlers on defense back then? "Rasselers" FIFY IsntLifeFunny 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter Posted May 4, 2020 Report Share Posted May 4, 2020 On 5/3/2020 at 2:23 AM, Face said: I was very bullish on MM, no doubt. But he was a stud as a rookie, plus he had a monster combine. I thought we had a steal, as he was really a 1 gap guy but played the nose at Michigan. Then he looked great the first month or so of 2013 & then totally disappeared. No explanation for what happened to him. He was too small and didnt have enough talent Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepingTitan Posted May 4, 2020 Report Share Posted May 4, 2020 14 minutes ago, Soxcat said: Not that being Klug would be a bad thing but since when does a guy who played plenty of NT in college and weighs over 300 pounds compare to a guy who was 280 and strictly a pass rush specialist? I meant he's probably a rotational piece, likely in 4 man fronts -- not that he was specifically like Klug. But if you watch how he plays, it's Klugish. I don't think Larrell has the power to be NT in the NFL -- at least not yet. He doesn't really swallow up gaps. He gets swallowed up in gaps. Justafan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callidus Posted May 4, 2020 Report Share Posted May 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, SleepingTitan said: I meant he's probably a rotational piece, likely in 4 man fronts -- not that he was specifically like Klug. But if you watch how he plays, it's Klugish. I don't think Larrell has the power to be NT in the NFL -- at least not yet. He doesn't really swallow up gaps. He gets swallowed up in gaps. Ya he is a klu or casey type. Shoots gaps and has some strength. More a penetration guy than anything. New quick fat guy with a motor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callidus Posted May 4, 2020 Report Share Posted May 4, 2020 22 minutes ago, Soxcat said: Since we run a four man front so much it makes sense he can rotate in as a DT. His forte probably isn't playing NT or 5 tech so in that respect he is like Klug. Klug however was never going to be a starting DT in a four man front. He was strictly a rotational pass rusher. Just saying this guy might have a little more utility than that. Doubt he cN play nose in the nfl but I think he can be a 3 or 5. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgo Posted May 4, 2020 Report Share Posted May 4, 2020 (edited) Comparing Murchison to Klug is completely ridiculous. Murch two-gapped a ton in college and played 5 technique and 1 technique mostly. People keep acting like he's going to play 3 technique here. Why would they play him there with they have Simmons and Mack both at 3 technique and he's mostly played nose and 5 tech??? Murchison is about as similar to Klug as Derrick Henry is to Christian McCaffery. I really don't understand the whole armchair scout dynamic where people are like "Well this guy played tackle all 4 years in college but he projects as a guard in the NFL" or in this case "well this guy two gapped a lot in college and played 5 technique and nose but he can't do that in the NFL, he's gonna be a gap shooting 3 tech." Like wtf? Lol that's literally why they drafted him. They've slowly purged all the one gap rushers off this roster under Robinson's watch, and completed the job with Casey's departure. There are no true/pure gap shooters left on this DL, for good reason. I mean for fuck's sake. And why is everyone talking so much about Murchison rushing the passer? The guy is a good run stopper first and foremost, any pass rush he offers is secondary. Edited May 4, 2020 by tgo Justafan, headhunter, and Starkiller 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FRT Posted May 4, 2020 Report Share Posted May 4, 2020 42 minutes ago, tgo said: I really don't understand the whole armchair scout dynamic Come on now everyone does it. Some even said Amik would not make it to our 3rd round pick in the draft..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgo Posted May 4, 2020 Report Share Posted May 4, 2020 Just now, FRT said: Come on now everyone does it. Some even said Amik would not make it to our 3rd round pick in the draft..... I'm talking about scouting player traits and fits. FRT 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgo Posted May 4, 2020 Report Share Posted May 4, 2020 (edited) I don't care what some amateur internet guy from Fansided says about him "lacking functional strength to anchor." It's just not true - it's exactly what he did in college. He's not Haloti Ngata or Casey Hampton or anything obviously, but he can hold down the fort in the run game. He does have some pass rush ability and pass rush upside, but what he did in college is a lot of two gapping, and that's what defensive linemen in this scheme do. When I'm talking about a run down DL, I'm talking about a guy who can hold two gap. Remember - it was said clearly last year by Vrabel and Pees that they do not want DL penetrating into the backfield on run downs by design because you lose contain when you do that. They want all the gaps plugged and they want a "wall," they don't want guys shooting gaps into the backfield and focusing on TFLs. It's literally the design of this defense. And yes I'm sure I'm reading about the same guy. What people are doing and what they always do, is try to project guys into gap shooting roles because they don't like two gappers because they're not exciting. That's literally what these amateur evaluators do all the time in the online scouting world. Here's two facts that people cannot get through their skulls about our defensive scheme: 1. They don't want players reading the QB or focusing on interceptions while in man coverage. 2. They don't want DL focusing on penetrating the backfield on run downs, they want to "build a wall," and hold the line. DL here have to two gap. They not only say this, but you can see it on film. Edited May 4, 2020 by tgo Justafan, IsntLifeFunny, and XAEA12 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted May 4, 2020 Report Share Posted May 4, 2020 1 minute ago, tgo said: I don't care what some amateur internet guy from Fansided says about him "lacking functional strength to anchor." It's just not true - it's exactly what he did in college. He does have some pass rush ability and pass rush upside, but what he did in college is a lot of two gapping, and that's what defensive linemen in this scheme do. When I'm talking about a run down DL, I'm talking about a guy who can hold two gap. Remember - it was said clearly last year by Vrabel and Pees that they do not want DL penetrating into the backfield on run downs by design because you lose contain when you do that. They want all the gaps plugged and they want a "wall," they don't want guys shooting gaps into the backfield and focusing on TFLs. It's literally the design of this defense. And yes I'm sure I'm reading about the same guy. What people are doing and what they always do, is try to project guys into gap shooting roles because they don't like two gappers because they're not exciting. That's literally what these amateur evaluators do all the time in the online scouting world. Here's two facts that people cannot get through their skulls about our defensive scheme: 1. They don't want players reading the QB or focusing on interceptions while in man coverage. 2. They don't want DL focusing on penetrating the backfield on run downs, they want to "build a wall," and hold the line. DL here have to two gap. They not only say this, but you can see it on film. I could see some situations where Murchinson gets in over DQ at the 1 tech when we go to our 2 DL sets. He flashed some serious pass rushing moves at the Senior Bowl, including a nasty spin move. tgo 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callidus Posted May 4, 2020 Report Share Posted May 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, tgo said: I don't care what some amateur internet guy from Fansided says about him "lacking functional strength to anchor." It's just not true - it's exactly what he did in college. He does have some pass rush ability and pass rush upside, but what he did in college is a lot of two gapping, and that's what defensive linemen in this scheme do. When I'm talking about a run down DL, I'm talking about a guy who can hold two gap. Remember - it was said clearly last year by Vrabel and Pees that they do not want DL penetrating into the backfield on run downs by design because you lose contain when you do that. They want all the gaps plugged and they want a "wall," they don't want guys shooting gaps into the backfield and focusing on TFLs. It's literally the design of this defense. And yes I'm sure I'm reading about the same guy. What people are doing and what they always do, is try to project guys into gap shooting roles because they don't like two gappers because they're not exciting. That's literally what these amateur evaluators do all the time in the online scouting world. Here's two facts that people cannot get through their skulls about our defensive scheme: 1. They don't want players reading the QB or focusing on interceptions while in man coverage. 2. They don't want DL focusing on penetrating the backfield on run downs, they want to "build a wall," and hold the line. DL here have to two gap. They not only say this, but you can see it on film. No1 said he cant to gap. The penetration line is just a fact. He is slippery when he wants to and gets ibto the backfield like casey. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted May 4, 2020 Report Share Posted May 4, 2020 Also, tgo is right about the scheme of the defense. In base downs the DL is not moving up the field. That is left for the LBs. I think he was referring to something Vrabel said before the Ravens game about the plan to stop their running game and how to contain Jackson by staying gap sound. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgo Posted May 4, 2020 Report Share Posted May 4, 2020 (edited) Yes, he can penetrate in the pass rush, yes he's shown the ability to do that. That's not the foundation of his game though, nor the foundation of this defense. Being able to do that (be slippery/shoot the gap) on pass rush downs is a huge bonus to his two gapping foundation. But that doesn't mean he's not going to play 5 tech on run downs or 1 tech. He may not have amazing lower body anchor, but he's strong enough and has enough lateral fluidity to be highly effective against the run. Edited May 4, 2020 by tgo IsntLifeFunny 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callidus Posted May 4, 2020 Report Share Posted May 4, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, tgo said: Yes, he can penetrate in the pass rush, yes he's shown the ability to do that. That's not the foundation of his game though, nor the foundation of this defense. Being able to do that (be slippery/shoot the gap) on pass rush downs is a huge bonus to his two gapping foundation. But that doesn't mean he's not going to play 5 tech on run downs or 1 tech. He may not have amazing lower body anchor, but he's strong enough and has enough lateral fluidity to be highly effective against the run. I agree. I was just saying he had the ability to do it Edit: I do think he would need to get a little stronger to play the 1 or 0 in the nfl but again I am not a expert. Edited May 4, 2020 by Callidus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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