BudsOilers Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 His agent is the same one as Goff's and Wentz.....But I'm sure it's a dirt cheap deal, which is why terms are not yet out there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanruss Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 Carr has been in a system that fits him from the beginning. Mariota started in a system that fit but then had 4 years in a system everyone that knows him said wasnt right. Carr had better overall numbers but Mariota started his career better.  He's a spread QB... it works well if done right. He'll have a decent shot to look alright if Carr goes down.  The amount of players and coaches saying MM worked harder than anyone, knew the playbook better than the coaches, and was the best leader they had ever been around is telling. MM's problem was in his head. He lost confidence with the injuries and using an offense that wasnt suited to him.  He can recover but it definitely wont be in a Shanahan style offense... at least not for a while. NashvilleNinja, and rns90 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanruss Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 19 minutes ago, BudAdams said: His agent is the same one as Goff's and Wentz.....But I'm sure it's a dirt cheap deal, which is why terms are not yet out there.  It's probably very similar to the deal RT got with us last year. CreepingDeath 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudsOilers Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 4 minutes ago, titanruss said: Carr has been in a system that fits him from the beginning. Mariota started in a system that fit but then had 4 years in a system everyone that knows him said wasnt right. Carr had better overall numbers but Mariota started his career better.  He's a spread QB... it works well if done right. He'll have a decent shot to look alright if Carr goes down.  The amount of players and coaches saying MM worked harder than anyone, knew the playbook better than the coaches, and was the best leader they had ever been around is telling. MM's problem was in his head. He lost confidence with the injuries and using an offense that wasnt suited to him.  He can recover but it definitely wont be in a Shanahan style offense... at least not for a while.  Gruden doesn't run a spread offense. His version of the west coast offense varies some from Shanahan's (mainly the zone blocking element) but the similarities are there with those two and what the Titans have been running. Oakland runs a ton of two back sets, two TE sets, and had the same frequency of 3 TE sets as the Titans did.  The fantasy land that Mariota was some hard working savant got blown to hell a long time ago. He struggled to learn LaFleur's offense and it's far less complicated than what Gruden does in terms of terminology.  He's just not very good unless everything is perfect - no pressure, wide open receivers, and even then his ball placement accuracy is below average. rns90 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rns90 Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 I think it's funny how Titanruss keeps on thinking that Mariota will suceed in a new offense/or has been in the wrong one all this time. Those 5 seasons of data don't lie. OILERMAN 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudsOilers Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 The fan boys will go to their grave with the dumb ass narrative that it wasn't Mariota's fault. As if last year alone was not the biggest butt fuck to that narrative - everything the same and they go from bottom feeders on offense to more prolific than the 1999 Rams. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanruss Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 5 minutes ago, BudAdams said: The fantasy land that Mariota was some hard working savant got blown to hell a long time ago. He struggled to learn LaFleur's offense and it's far less complicated than what Gruden does in terms of terminology.  He's just not very good unless everything is perfect - no pressure, wide open receivers, and even then his ball placement accuracy is below average. Thats just not true. Every player on the team said he's the first one in and the last one out. Watterson would comment that he was having to limit Marcus because he was getting too strong for what they wanted.  Lafleur himself said MM knew the offense better than anyone in the building and that MM was teaching everyone else the Offense as much as ML was...  MM is just got a confidence issue now that stems from injury and an offense that wasnt suited for him. We've been saying the same things since Day 1 Preseason Game 1 under Mularkey... it was obvious the fit was wrong then even though production went up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanruss Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 5 minutes ago, rns90 said: I think it's funny how Titanruss keeps on thinking that Mariota will suceed in a new offense/or has been in the wrong one all this time. Those 5 seasons of data don't lie.  I never said that. Learn to read. I said he's got a shot to. Once a player is ruined - which Mularkey did and a reason he no longer has a job of note - there's not often a comeback. But if anyone can do it, its the guy everyone around him says works the hardest and has the history of being good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanruss Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 4 minutes ago, BudAdams said: The fan boys will go to their grave with the dumb ass narrative that it wasn't Mariota's fault. As if last year alone was not the biggest butt fuck to that narrative - everything the same and they go from bottom feeders on offense to more prolific than the 1999 Rams.  Again, it was said preseason game 1 under Mularkey that this offense looks like its not a fit and Marcus looks different and "off" compared to the previous season. It continued on that path. It's not nor has it ever been a revisionist thing.Of course there was hope he'd stick.. and of course the hope glossed over many things. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudsOilers Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 1 minute ago, titanruss said: Thats just not true. Every player on the team said he's the first one in and the last one out. Watterson would comment that he was having to limit Marcus because he was getting too strong for what they wanted.  Lafleur himself said MM knew the offense better than anyone in the building and that MM was teaching everyone else the Offense as much as ML was...  MM is just got a confidence issue now that stems from injury and an offense that wasnt suited for him. We've been saying the same things since Day 1 Preseason Game 1 under Mularkey... it was obvious the fit was wrong then even though production went up.  Hyperbole. I heard players talk about how he was on the west coast or Hawaii every chance he got. But none of that even matters. He's incapable of playing QB in the NFL at a high level. He's just not good enough and the idea that Gruden's offense will fit him better than the LaFleur one is honestly laughable because it's 90% the same.  He doesn't get to play Weber State and Arizona throwing to wide open receivers anymore. rns90 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rns90 Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 1 minute ago, titanruss said:  Again, it was said preseason game 1 under Mularkey that this offense looks like its not a fit and Marcus looks different and "off" compared to the previous season. It continued on that path. It's not nor has it ever been a revisionist thing.Of course there was hope he'd stick.. and of course the hope glossed over many things. Ok, but why did he have the best year of his career under Mularkey? He's also failed under offenses coordinated by LaFleur and Arthur Smith last year. At some point, it's on HIM and you can't keep on scapegoating others on the team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanruss Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 Just now, BudAdams said:  Hyperbole. I heard players talk about how he was on the west coast or Hawaii every chance he got. But none of that even matters. He's incapable of playing QB in the NFL at a high level. He's just not good enough and the idea that Gruden's offense will fit him better than the LaFleur one is honestly laughable because it's 90% the same.   You confuse being on the west coast with not working. Which isnt true. You also confuse their statements as negative - which is your nature.  I will concede he didnt force his WR to meet more than a couple of weeks in the offseason. Some Qbs asked more. Maybe that;s his weakness as he didnt force others to participate.  Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudsOilers Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 1 minute ago, titanruss said:  Again, it was said preseason game 1 under Mularkey that this offense looks like its not a fit and Marcus looks different and "off" compared to the previous season. It continued on that path. It's not nor has it ever been a revisionist thing.Of course there was hope he'd stick.. and of course the hope glossed over many things.  You have no credibility on the Mariota front. The dumb dumb fans wanted the team to play Oregon's offense and throw it 40 times a game, not realizing that the coaches knew damn well what MM could and could not do. As time goes on, Mularkey actually got more out of MM than Vrabel did. Justafan 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudsOilers Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 3 minutes ago, titanruss said:  You confuse being on the west coast with not working. Which isnt true. You also confuse their statements as negative - which is your nature.  I will concede he didnt force his WR to meet more than a couple of weeks in the offseason. Some Qbs asked more. Maybe that;s his weakness as he didnt force others to participate.   All of his hard work never came with results. The same flaws he had in his pre draft scouting reports are still very much here today.   His "hard work" is nothing compared to what Russell Wilson does or what Peyton did. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
titanruss Posted March 19, 2020 Report Share Posted March 19, 2020 Just now, rns90 said: Ok, but why did he have the best year of his career under Mularkey? He's also failed under offenses coordinated by LaFleur and Arthur Smith last year. At some point, it's on HIM and you can't keep on scapegoating others on the team.  Do you really not remember or do you not like to think about things past the surface? Look at the major talent overhaul from year 1 to year 2. What year do players improve the most ? Year 2. He practiced throwing deep and not fumbling inside the pocket... and did well at it. That said, literally every single difference from year 1-2 can be accounted for the great deep ball production turnaround. Recievers caused like 7 interceptions his rookie year and dropped like 10-12 deep balls. That didnt happen in year 2 - because of the talent at WR, a threat at RB that allowed the PA to work, and his offseason efforts to work on the deep ball.  Where do you see the difference here on a per pass basis? How much different is it really? It's all in the deep ball and sacks taken... which can largely be accounted for surrounding talent, a PA running threat, and better recievers.  It's not difficult. The teams saw it and knew that... hence why they fired Mularkey before he was completely ruined... and a major reason why they kept mariota around instead of dumping him. rns90 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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