El Guapo Posted May 6, 2021 Report Share Posted May 6, 2021 Yes. And it happened here, too. That is the point of lockdowns. Flattering the curve. But the flattening doesn’t last. And that has been shown time and time again. And at huge costs. Maybe we are saying same thing. I dont know. But i am sick of lockdowns and thats why I got the vax early. There has been too much political rhetoric that has hampered the rollout. So I tell every patient that has not had a vax to get it. And I point them to articles explaining how they were developed so rapidly. And they are safe. Its all I can do. oldschool, Starkiller, IsntLifeFunny, and 1 other 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJClown Posted May 6, 2021 Report Share Posted May 6, 2021 2 hours ago, El Guapo said: Lockdowns delay the spread but do not stop the pandemic. its been shown for over a year. And they have serious repercussions. Maybe if you guys quit spouting bullshit and only using science when it is convenient you might be taken more seriously. Lockdowns weren’t meant to end covid, they were meant to safely get us to a testing, tracing regime throughout the country backed by PPE. Instead we got golf and rallies for so long that 600k Americans died. And we didn’t even have lockdowns anyway. We ordered takeout from our fav restaurants vs sitting in them. The country’s response to covid was garbage. reo, and luvyablue256 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJClown Posted May 6, 2021 Report Share Posted May 6, 2021 4 hours ago, El Guapo said: as I have stated before, only vax will end this fucking ordeal. Lockdowns are a waste and harmful. The effectiveness of vaccines is not evidence for the ineffectiveness of lockdowns. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted May 6, 2021 Report Share Posted May 6, 2021 4 hours ago, El Guapo said: The current political climate is poisonous. Its a 2 way street and it started with the Democrats refusing to accept 2016. Hilarious Btowner, luvyablue256, reo, and 1 other 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat Posted May 6, 2021 Author Report Share Posted May 6, 2021 5 hours ago, El Guapo said: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9545897/Coronavirus-real-world-data-proves-Pfizer-Covid-jab-77-98-effective.html as I have stated before, only vax will end this fucking ordeal. Lockdowns are a waste and harmful. In the absence of both vaccines and social distancing, the result is complete societal collapse. India tried to open without high vaccination numbers and it is now a horror. IsntLifeFunny 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pat Posted May 6, 2021 Author Report Share Posted May 6, 2021 3 hours ago, El Guapo said: Lockdowns delay the spread but do not stop the pandemic. its been shown for over a year. And they have serious repercussions. Maybe if you guys quit spouting bullshit and only using science when it is convenient you might be taken more seriously. Correct. Lockdowns slowed the spread of the pandemic to prevent apocalypse prior to the widespread deployment of vaccines. "Delaying the spread" is another way of saying "saving millions of lives that would be lost by an out of control pandemic overwhelming hospitals" The economic cost is worth it, because the economic cost of not locking down is catastrophic. abenjami 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsntLifeFunny Posted May 6, 2021 Report Share Posted May 6, 2021 1 hour ago, El Guapo said: Yes. And it happened here, too. That is the point of lockdowns. Flattering the curve. But the flattening doesn’t last. And that has been shown time and time again. And at huge costs. Maybe we are saying same thing. I dont know. But i am sick of lockdowns and thats why I got the vax early. There has been too much political rhetoric that has hampered the rollout. So I tell every patient that has not had a vax to get it. And I point them to articles explaining how they were developed so rapidly. And they are safe. Its all I can do. You’re definitely saying the same thing just from a different angle. Our lockdowns were shit because it was done differently over all 50 states, but it still helped. Masks help, even if only to lower case load. As you’ve said the vaccine is the way out, but unfortunately 40% of white conservatives won’t take it and a large group of young adults won’t either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted May 6, 2021 Report Share Posted May 6, 2021 https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/analysis-half-of-global-coronavirus-deaths-unreported/ar-BB1gqSQ8?ocid=MSNewsApp&item=flights%3Aprg-mobileappview Analysis suggests half of global deaths to Covid are unreported. Estimate 900k in US. reo 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MamlngEnvy Posted May 6, 2021 Report Share Posted May 6, 2021 1 hour ago, Jamalisms said: https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/analysis-half-of-global-coronavirus-deaths-unreported/ar-BB1gqSQ8?ocid=MSNewsApp&item=flights%3Aprg-mobileappview Analysis suggests half of global deaths to Covid are unreported. Estimate 900k in US. But anyone who falls off a ladder and dies is counted for covid so really it's like 75,000 maybe amirite Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamalisms Posted May 6, 2021 Report Share Posted May 6, 2021 30 minutes ago, 52O said: amirite No. Not even close. MamlngEnvy 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Guapo Posted May 6, 2021 Report Share Posted May 6, 2021 4 hours ago, IsntLifeFunny said: You’re definitely saying the same thing just from a different angle. Our lockdowns were shit because it was done differently over all 50 states, but it still helped. Masks help, even if only to lower case load. As you’ve said the vaccine is the way out, but unfortunately 40% of white conservatives won’t take it and a large group of young adults won’t either. Yup. It sucks IsntLifeFunny 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkiller Posted May 10, 2021 Report Share Posted May 10, 2021 https://www.vox.com/22422794/covid-19-death-numbers-total-us-vaccine-ihme?utm_source=digg The world may have undercounted Covid-19 deaths by a staggering margin, according to an analysis released Thursday by the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation (IHME) at the University of Washington School of Medicine. The actual count may actually be 6.9 million deaths, more than double official tolls. The United States alone is estimated to have had 905,000 Covid-19 fatalities, vastly more than the 579,000 deaths officially reported, and more than any other country. The calculation is based on modeling of excess mortality that has occurred during the pandemic. The drastic difference highlights how difficult it is to keep track of even basic metrics like deaths when a deadly disease is raging. The higher toll also means the ripples of the pandemic have spread wider than realized, particularly for health workers on the front lines who have repeatedly faced the onslaught with limited medical resources and personal protection. And the undercounts have important consequences for how countries allocate resources, anticipate future hot spots, and address health inequities. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nine Posted May 10, 2021 Report Share Posted May 10, 2021 I’ve posted several times before that regardless how anyone wants to label things, the truth is found in the overall mortality rate... i.e. deaths from all causes. Pre-pandemic, the annual mortality rate had very minimal fluctuation, rarely varying more than 3% from one year to the next. According to the CDC mortality reporting, the two deadliest months of the 2019 calendar year were January and December, with 258,000 and 256,000 deaths respectively. (Again, these numbers were deaths from all causes). January 2020 (still pre-pandemic) had 264,000 deaths reported.....a nominal increase over the previous January. Pretty normal. December 2020 had 364,000 deaths...an increase of 108,000 deaths over the previous year. January 2021 had 358,000 deaths...an increase of 96,000 deaths over the previous January. Again...total deaths is a metric that rarely fluctuates by more than 3% in the United States. But with covid added to the mix, total deaths increased by 30% in a single year. Absolutely mind-boggling. There was also an astronomical increase in the numbered pneumonia/influenza deaths that weren’t necessarily attributed to covid. Before 2020, pneumonia and influenza were responsible for roughly 55-60,000 deaths per year. Since Jan 2020, CDC reporting shows 565,000 deaths attributed to covid...but 788,000 deaths attributed to covid, pneumonia, and influenza combined. So in addition to the covid fatalities, this suggests an additional 223,000 deaths where covid wasn't identified as a factor. Which do we think is more likely...that non-covid pneumonia deaths just happened to increase by 400% during the first year of covid’s existence ? Or could it be that the testing methodology for a brand new virus was unreliable and drastically underreported the actual numbers? ChemEngr79 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titans279 Posted May 10, 2021 Report Share Posted May 10, 2021 Ever wonder why people stopped bringing up Sweden? By not doing any of the lockdown type stuff they ended up with more death and a worse economy after all pat, and ChemEngr79 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luvyablue256 Posted May 10, 2021 Report Share Posted May 10, 2021 (edited) On 5/6/2021 at 9:03 AM, El Guapo said: The current political climate is poisonous. Its a 2 way street and it started with the Democrats refusing to accept 2016. Rush Limbaugh in the early 90s. Fixed Edited May 10, 2021 by luvyablue256 Rogue, MadMax, Starkiller, and 1 other 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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